Occupation: Girl

Please close the door and switch on the fun without fail.


Maybe there should be a gif-party or a fic-reccing party in the comments, or something. :P

♥ Hosting AND posting in discussions like this has to be exhausting.


I genuinely thought it was going to be about half as many comments with a few flames I would have to put out, freeze a few threads, and that would be it. I just really did not expect so many people to want to weigh in on it, which meant that I ended up repeating myself in quantity rather than in depth. Or something. I'm tired.


Gifs are excellent.

I feel like I missed something important.

I'll go browse.

Previous post. I don't even want to link to it. God help us all.

Dude, you did GOOD. I waded in for about five minutes, and had to back out without comment owing to the desire to tell people to stop being on my side - and I didn't even get to any comments that I didn't agree with! You have the patience of a saint.

A deep terror of offending people helps, I think.

"Then I had a terrifying vision of the future: a Dark Knight Rises discussion entry."

::Flees screaming from the internets::

Bah, the "just words" argument always bugs me. It's not too far from "just a book", which always makes me want to like throw the bible at their heads as an example of an influential book and to also vent my frustration.

I get your deep fear of offending people tho. Yesterday I was getting a hot chocolate at a coffee place and I forgot to ask for soymilk so when I remembered and asked the girl to change it I was quietly panicking inside that she thinks I'm an annoying as hell customer and I felt like an idiot for asking her to change it even though regular milk would probably kill me. :\

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I deliberately didn't response to that post as I thought it might end up in a nightmare for you (and I say this as someone who has a, possibly cultural, different viewpoint). I figure you've had all the arguments you need :p

Instead, here's something that may be of interest to your readers. The lovely Ewan Macgregor has quietly joined Twitter at @mcgregor_ewan.

Oh, also here's a yawning puppy

Thank you for posting about it. It bothered me too but I wasn't emboldened to talk about it until I saw your post.

I am very appreciative that you started both discussions (and cross-pollinated the ones at jimhines) because they gave me a lot to think about and caused me to see some things in a new light. I don't share all of your viewpoints, but I really enjoyed reading them and watching the conversations that unfolded. Knowing that you were anxious about it just makes me appreciate it that much more, as I'm definitely familiar with the problem of "I'm afraid to post this in case somebody attacks me." Thank you for being willing to start and host these conversations, despite that concern.

I apologize that I have no good GIFs today. I'll see if my husband has some he can pass on to me later.

Thank you so much for hosting the discussion, Cleo. Even if it got a bit heavy at times, or was just exhausting. I appreciate it all the more because it was so fraught for you. Little did you know you were going to host an impromptu salon. Like suddenly everybody was like: a place! to talk about this thing! And also yes: a place! to be able to discuss the bad with the good, in depth, rather than just being squeeful! Thus, the runaway locomotive that nobody expected (much like the box office returns). From where I was sitting, it seemed to me like it went well? I think? Anyway, the amount of energy it takes to deal with hosting that kind of thing does not go unappreciated.

I thought you handled it beautifully, and the discussions I saw were civil and interesting.

Hey Cleo,

Thanks for hosting a civil conversational forum about a topic of wide interest. It's a mitzvah.

You da bomb.

Thank YOU for being cool, too. This community is one you've built, and you've done it with intellectual approaches to emotional responses; it's what we've come to expect from you, and I'm pleased but not surprised that mostly people responded in kind. The sort of people who enjoy this blog are mostly the sort of people who can/want to have an intelligent discussion about this, which is most of what I saw in the comments.

How DARE you be offended by something and express so on the internet! It's not like anyone else does it after all...

Bah, coming from someone who used to BE one of those 'you're just being sensitive!' people, don't take it too personally. There's a lot of Not Getting It with people like that. *rolls eyes*

BTW, out of curiosity, does anyone know where the word 'quim' comes from? I had a poke around trying to find its origin but my Google-Fu is weak today.

I think I went through that in the main body of the previous entry. Short version, possibly "cwm," Welsh for "valley." Further discussion needs to go over there.

Edited at 2012-05-10 09:49 pm (UTC)

(Then I had a terrifying vision of the future: a Dark Knight Rises discussion entry.)

I am looking forward to this already!

I am commenting on this entry mainly to say that I appreciate the fact that you attract and encourage debate and not hostility, and that people really rise up to that. So thanks!

I think THE HARDEST thing about being an artist is letting other people interpret your art. To me, art is a form of expression, of communication. I draw s circle half black and half white because I'm trying to communicate that I like things simple but you may think that it is a representation of the balance of the universe and that in order for me to have balance I should accept that which I do not believe in when in essence by accepting what I find morally comprehensible I am in fact lowering my standards and what were we talking about again?

Anyways that's what I think you are, an artist. You eloquently express yourself. And bravo to you for sharing your art. :)

I gotta say, your addendum post made me a little angry because GOD FORBID CLEOLINDA JONES POST HER OWN HONEST FEELINGS ON HER OWN MFKIN JOURNAL, THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS FANDOM so I'm really glad you're doing all right despite all that.

What, the ETA? It was still civil at that point, I was just exhausted from discussing it with each new person who very eagerly wanted to offer their own (very valid) interpretation. Too much of a good thing, maybe.

I hope we made it out okay, anyway. <3

(Then I had a terrifying vision of the future: a Dark Knight Rises discussion entry.)

This made me laugh out loud. ;-) That is all.

You laughed because YOU KNOW IT IS TRUE. Right down to the catsuit.

Thank you for being so nice about this whole thing. The conversations did get a little heavy at points... but for the most part is seemed helpful for most people to be able to discuss their feelings on the movie.

Anyway, um, my point is... you rock? :)

This is what I get for not paying enough attention to LJ! But great discussions and I totally get how the words don't even look like words any more. Have an Airedale being swarmed by some Scottie puppies (hope I can get the embed to work):


(Then I had a terrifying vision of the future: a Dark Knight Rises discussion entry.)

If Chris Nolan keeps up his less-than-awesomeness in the lady department in this one, too...I shudder to think.

Could we not fridge anyone this time? Honestly, odds are not good that BOTH Anne Hathaway and Marion Cotillard will make it out alive.

I didn't comment in either of the previous threads, because I haven't seen the movie yet. But I will say that you, Cleo, have a terrific knack for both expressing your opinion in an even and articulate manner and keeping things as civil as possible in your little corner of the internet.

It's not easy, but you do it quite well. It's a useful skill to have.

I didn't join the discussion, but I wanted to mention that one of said previous posts has now added "because reasons" to my vocabulary. And I want to thank you for that.

Heh. I'm not sure where I picked it up, but it's incredibly useful.

Thank you for making those posts. They were some of the few places on the whole of the internet where I could find people willing to listen to negative opinions of the movie, and it was very cathartic to have that space to be heard.

So, again, thanks for that, and sorry people stressed you out.

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