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Open discussion: Hannibal 2x05 "Mukozuke"
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I'm making good time on "Takiawase"--it's just that "Hassun" ran (extra) late because of another project I had to do, so now this is also running late. At some point I'm going to get out from under the backlog, but today is not that day. However, some of y'all in the "Hassun" comments asked if we could have an open discussion thread for the episode currently airing, so: here we are. I'm going to have to be on Twitter to pitch in for the ratings and collect east and west coast tweets for the Storify, but LJ is definitely better for threaded conversations; I'll try to drop in between broadcasts. And if it turns out people are interested in a discussion post like this, we'll keep doing them. To state the obvious: there will be spoilers in the comments. Try to keep it to spoilers through this episode, though, in case people don't want to know about ~the future~ yet.

While we're here, we have two Aromaleigh colors this week:

I mean, all the colors will be there for a good long while, but these are the two newest. I haven't seen them in person yet, but they both have some color-shifting business going on--Lure is meant to be Abigail's multicolored sweater, and Murder Tie has to have some stealth red in it, of course--so it'll be an adventure trying to take pictures of them. Still working on the Tattler swatches--I've found a couple of lighter colors that blend well with it, so that it looks kind of like a sunset. But I'll get back to that after I'm done with "Takiawase."

By the way, here's the preview for tonight--and NBC Hannibal's Tumblr tags:

#Hannibal #NBC #Television #Previews #So last Friday was like the first JFC episode #This Friday is THE REAL GD DEAL #There's not even a part of the episode that we can call out to be ready for #IT'S JUST THE WHOLE THING

Buckle up.

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Apparently there're going to be more flashing lights this episode, so anyone else with seizures: this is your warning.

Yeah that would be no good for them.. :D

on today's episode of "Very Clever Cannibal Puns"-


He did that all in ONE NIGHT?

Mmmmm....Tastes like Beverly...

How will she be served?

that;s a different take on kidney pie I haven't seen before. and I've read alot of recipes for odd cuts.

"Like soap to a baby's eyes"?

Yeah, I... didn't quite get where that was going.

Is Hannibal dining on Sashimi tonight?

It's a very dandy tie, indeed. When Hannibal is wearing the murder tie, it's time to hit the floor.

Because I suppose they couldn't say, "it's the motherfucking MURDER TIE" in their description.

Heh. We discussed it, though. :D

Bryan Fuller has referenced the Body Worlds exhibits when describing what was done to Beverly's body, and other folks have invoked Damien Hirst and Tarsem's THE CELL. Me, I thought of person-sized microscope slides. Appropriate, no?

Re: Bev's presentation

Hee, that too. What I love is that the Body Worlds exhibit was used in... Casino Royale.

Poor Hannibal. I don't think he liked getting a taste of his own medicine like that. I have to say I LOVE how all this ties in with the animus between Will and Hannibal in Red Dragon. Very clever, show.

Edited at 2014-03-29 03:17 am (UTC)

I am kind of !!! about all the parallels they drew between events in this episode, but didn't even think about how much of a call forward that was.

Ok, I'm going to need the oddly specific knowledge that I'm sure somebody here can provide. Can you even saw a human body into pieces that way, frozen or otherwise? And how would you display cross-sections like that without them just falling apart? And I think the timeframe's meant to be that this was the next day, maybe the day after? Could you do that in a night and/or a night and a day?

I'm sure somebody here will admit to being able to answer these questions.

I don't know, but I'll be looking into it. (The attention to detail you have come to expect from Cleolinda Industries, etc)

Watching it now. Thought I'd probably handle it okay, then sobbed through pretty much the entire first half. ;_; Hold meeeee.

I'm still hesistant to watch it ... I'm not squeamish but damn I'm like not ready for it. But I'll be happy to do some holding, I feel like I might need a lot of that when I finally watch ...

Next week on Hannibal, everyone is very disappoint in Will.

Somewhere in the future, Jack Crawford will give someone permission to smack him upside the head.

Interestingly, I noticed that Hannibal looked really tired at breakfast with Jack which now makes sense as a conscious script note facilitated by le lighting and make-up departments.

All I noticed was his super adorable cable knit sweater. It was two thumbholes away from tempting me to put all that bothersome cannibal nonsense behind us.

Next week's preview:

"Hannibal Lecter is not a... cannibal," said Jack, perhaps hearing what he was saying for the first time.

Half the Twitter responses were along the lines of "You just said those words in the same sentence! Do you HEAR yourself?!"

Final thought before bed (because I have to work tomorrow, oh god): why can't Hannibal just crack eggs like a normal person? No, even his egg-cracking has to be obnoxiously fancy and difficult.

Man and like he was all chipper cracking eggs like a jerk with Jack in the next room glooming about the thought of dead Gina Torres.

It just occurred to me that as of this episode's end, Alana has seen Will as an unrepentant caged killer and Hannibal as a crucified victim, when it should be EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.

You know, I really hope Jack survives the finale because I fucking LIVE for the day Will gets to look him in the face and unload the mother of all I-Told-You-Sos.

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The Bev-Kidney pie is in the shape of Will's mask, omfg.

I just thought of the fact that using the tranq gun on him was exactly how the Sardinians got him for Verger in the Hannibal book & movie. Fuller and all the little details!

Also, Reddit and Aaron Abrams summed up the poll/murder attempt scene pretty well : http://imgur.com/FTj0xBf

To be fair it was speedo trunks, not undies. :)

Book spoilers? Or is "not wanting to know about ~the future~" for show's spoilers only?

I'm scared for Freddie. Tumblr gifs tell me she was protective of Jack because of The Thing That Happened. This is one of the shows where any character development might be bad for your life expectancy. It's already clear that book characters aren't off limits, I have no fucking idea what Season 4's cast is going to look like. If they're killing her off *this* season, I'm... going to be very upset.

Edited at 2014-03-29 05:44 am (UTC)

Re: Book spoilers? Or is "not wanting to know about ~the future~" for show's spoilers only?

I'd say "book spoilers" fall under "speculation" at this point, because as has been previously discussed, all bets are off.

I said aloud 'son of bitch' and 'Christ' when I saw what happened to Bev.

I think it sums up the episode as whole.

I... was not as horrified as I was expecting? I mean the presentation of her body was kind of clinical and clean, almost, and definitely not as bad as I was imagining it could be. I was more horrified by the kidney mince pie this time (and wanting to shove his smug cannibal face through his own meat-grinder) because YOU DO NOT GET TO BEAT QUEEN BEV YOU BASTARD only he did, and his whole eating-the-flesh-of-my-defeated-foes thing was just that much worse 'cos it was her :((

There were so many references to the book Hannibal, especially at the end there.

-Shooting Hannibal with a tranq dart (which is how Mason Verger's minions take Lecter outside of the grocery store Clarice is at)

-The reference to Judas and choking (Hannibal did a lecture on that in order to keep his job in Italy before he had to do a runner, Judas and betrayal and hanging and Dante.)

-The way Hannibal is crucified is reminiscent for the way he was bound in the books, even.

Though they're really taking it up a notch with the book references, I want to make a chart or something when I do a re-watch.

So just like with Miriam, Hannibal strangled Beverly until she was unconscious, but not dead. Presumably Beverly only actually died when the band-saw went through her skull.

I wondered about Hannibal's comment: "I believe that those who can no longer function at an acceptable level have the right to die." Presumably "at an acceptable level" means "in an appropriately polite manner".

Also, does no one work at this swimming pool?

Edited at 2014-03-29 07:29 am (UTC)

Well, presumably she died when she was frozen.


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