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Omg I just saw Phantom of the Opera and I haven't laughed so hard since "Buford on the Savoy." And you know what the sad part is? Sometimes I was just laughing at the original material from the show--not even the movie. Mom went with me, and she loves the show, and so she largely disliked the movie. If you like Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, you will hate this movie. If you like movies that are partly good and partly so bad that they are good, you will love this movie. I must own this movie. I want it on DVD and special edition DVD and CD and bootleg (region 1. Please? Anyone? Bueller?) and I will love it and squeeze it and call it George.

I love that Minnie Driver is an awful ham. ("I hate-a my hat! We leave! Breng-a mah doggeh!")

I love that Miranda Richardson is the only actor who bothers to have a French accent in a movie that is set in Paris.

I love the arms with the candelabra, because that is a direct steal from Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. I am so in love with that part. Respect.

I also love the horse that carries Christine down to the boat, because that is directly from the book, and the reviewer who said that was preposterous and not in the musical and where would they get a horse OMG? He can suck it. I *heart* César.

I love how Christine is asked to "start from the beginning of the aria," which is... a pop ballad with a lot of squealy notes.

I love how all the operas in the movie are exactly what high-culture phobics see in their nightmares--shrill, overdressed buffoons prancing around a stage.

I love how the Phantom is such a genius that his own opera is... kind of crappy.

I love the Dread Pirate Roberts Corps de Ballet in "Point of No Return."

I love that Christine is still trying to figure out if the Phantom/Angel is her father's ghost two hours into the movie. Because... ew, dude. That renders the whole "Music of the Night" scene UBER creepy, and not even in a good Boone-Shannon way.

Seriously, though? I hate the "Masquerade" choreography. It's like... fifteen guys voguing and everyone else in miltary formation. The fuck?

Also, I hate the quasi-pseudo-totally-not-actually songs that get stuck in--"Stranger Than You Dreamt," is that the one?--because exposition needs to happen. Like, people, seriously, Just talk. Rewrite the lines a little so that they all don't rhyme with each other, and we'll be fine. Because it's just lame, listening to people chant dialogue in a vaguely melodic fashion. Also, the scene where Christine rips off the Phantom's mask is one of my most favorite in the book ever, and I really wanted to see the Phantom go batshit on her, not stand there and sort of half-sing at her. But anyway.

I love the actual "Phantom of the Opera" song, because it is the most '80s thing ever. I seriously just lay down in the empty seat next to me and cried with laughter. Seriously, I have it on MP3, thanks to one of y'all, and it still makes me howl. I mean, the guitars and the oh-so-bombastic organs are hilarious, but I think it's the "SING, MY ANGEL!" where I start to lose it. SO AWESOME.

I howled (silently) during "Music of the Night," too, but that was my own fault. Remember, I had never actually heard the song before...

Also, I want Phantom!Gerard to come to my house and live under my bed. Seriously, he can live in the cedar closet in the basement if it means that much to him. He'll just have to use flashlights instead of candles so he doesn't set the coats on fire.

Oh, and since I know you're going to ask, I'll tell you: I had absolutely no problem with Gerard Butler, because I've never seen or heard the show and, quite frankly, I don't know any better. (Hell, y'all know what bad taste in music I have.) Maybe the Schumacher Phantom is one of those "Those who can't do, teach" types. I will say that the "good singer Raoul, pretty Phantom" thing is still weird, but by shifting the focus away from the quality of the Phantom's voice, it becomes more about the "enchantment." I was reading an interview with Emmy Rossum, in which she regrettably came off as a self-important twit, but whatever, and there was this brief interjection from the writer about talking to Gerard Butler about the song "Music of the Night," I think? ... hang on, I gotta go find this. Here it is. So Butler says in this article, for no appreciable reason I can tell except that it's a great quote, "If you actually listen to the lyrics, Jesus, it's about fucking, isn't it? I mean, 'The time has come'--you know, let's get it on." It's sort of illogical, the casting priorities Lloyd Webber and Schumacher seem to have had, but the effect is that it really brings forward this Victorian (Victorian = British, not French. I know. Shut up) obsession with Good Sexuality and Bad Sexuality. I mean, there's a reason Raoul looks like the lost Hanson brother here, and it's because he's the sweet, harmless, innocent one--he's The Boy You're Supposed to Marry. The Phantom--and this is totally not subtext, because the freakin' lyrics hammer it home whenever possible--is the whole "dark desire" thing. You know, the thing girls aren't supposed to feel. When does Christine escape? After she kisses the Phantom and "accepts" him, the dark side, or whatever. And then she's totally allowed to go marry the Good Boy anyway. Somehow, it brings the two sides into balance. I don't know that moving this theme to the forefront at the expense of the Phantom's voice was intentional, but--really, I'm willing to go with it.

Also: there is nothing wrong with the movie itself--the camera is sort of lead-footed in a lot of scenes--that Baz Luhrmann could not have fixed. I'm just going to imagine that he directed the "Masquerade" scene.

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missdiane From: [info]missdiane Date: January 8th, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hot damn. I was hoping it was one of those I can go and giggle like hell at the overacting and expressions of "I love you like *GUH*"

The roommate and I will try not to annoy the entire audience with our guffawing - thanks muchly. ;)
From: [info]vladimirsever Date: January 8th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
OMG FIRST.

Okay, you actually tipped me off. STILL FIRST.

*is off to actually read it*
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Awww.
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bellereve_ From: [info]bellereve_ Date: January 8th, 2005 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love that Miranda Richardson is the only actor who bothers to have a French accent in a movie that is set in Paris

Oh god! That bugged me to no end! If the French people aren't going to speak French, at least have them speak in French accents! Geez!
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
See, I don't mind that--it's a common trope to have "everyone of some nationality" = "everyone British." But it screws it up to have ONE PERSON do it right.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: January 8th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Happy that you're happy. :)
From: [info]jenish Date: January 8th, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
If you like Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, you will hate this movie.

Sigh. I expected as much.

I love the Dread Pirate Roberts Corps de Ballet in "Point of No Return."

Although, that is something I want to see.

I've heard this is awful but decadent. Hee, now I know more and can cheerfully rent it and thwap the cover with my copy of the book if I feel the need.

Thankee :)
lacrimaeveneris From: [info]lacrimaeveneris Date: January 8th, 2005 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
What I loved from PonR was the "Shall we dance? Nah...*GROPE GROPE*" going on.
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fba From: [info]fba Date: January 8th, 2005 02:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have major issues with ALW talentless-fuckwit-with-a-large-cock(according-to-Sarah-Brightman) that he is - so I am highly unlikely to put myself through the torture that a film of one of his musicals would be. Add Joel Schumacher into the equation and I think you have my cinematic hell........

I'd still read the M15M though ;-)

btw - it is *completely* your fault that I contemplated buying the DVD of Van Helsing in the sales......
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
MOO HA HA.
secretnthewings From: [info]secretnthewings Date: January 8th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love the Dread Pirate Roberts Corps de Ballet in "Point of No Return."

Dear God, I thought exactly the same thing when they came swooping in. My friends and I lost it at that point; luckily, most of the other folks in the theater were guffawing loudly as well.

*Raoul comes barreling into the Graveyard scene, sword at the ready*

Raoul: Hello. My name is Raoul de Changy. You stole my ingénue. Prepare to die.
lacrimaeveneris From: [info]lacrimaeveneris Date: January 8th, 2005 02:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
See, with that I was okay. Right up until I saw a picture online that makes his sword look like... you know, "his" sword. ;P At which point I watched the movie AGAIN and was like... OMG RAOUL! GO SAVE YOUR GIRL AND STOP WANKING.
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sinkalicious From: [info]sinkalicious Date: January 8th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hahah I love everything you said about the movie because it's ALL SO TRUE. Especially the part about Miranda Richardson with an accent. Really, WTF?

I have the entire movie soundtrack uploaded if you wannnnt. :D
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love you.

If you want to use yousendit.com, my email is cleolinda at dailydigest.net.
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From: [info]vladimirsever Date: January 8th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
All right, now that I've actually read your notes in all their awesomeness, I totally need to be spanked again and again and again, as much as the girls in the Tale of Sir Galahad.

AND SO CAN'T WAIT FOR YOUR M15M OMG.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Naughty!
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chowburger From: [info]chowburger Date: January 8th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love that Christine is still trying to figure out if the Phantom/Angel is her father's ghost two hours into the movie.

Oh how that scared (and yet amused) me greatly...

And I will never be able to listen to 'Music of the Night' again...
maverickgirl From: [info]maverickgirl Date: January 9th, 2005 06:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
In the Broadway one I saw, she was actually kind of snarking at him - sort of like, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" - but in the movie they just managed to make her look like an idiot. "Huh? So... are we related, or are we totally making out later?"
bikutoria From: [info]bikutoria Date: January 8th, 2005 02:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have to say someone totally spoiled me yesterday on Boone-Shannon relationship details. And if what this person told me was true...you will have a field day with it. Well, you would have a field day with most anything involving Lost, but you get the picture.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Someone spoiled me, too. I can't *wait.*
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la_sonnambula From: [info]la_sonnambula Date: January 8th, 2005 02:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Electra complex in the movie/musical is off the charts!

I think Handsome Gerard Butler is cast as Phantom because the Phantom is Andrew Lloyd Webber's avatar, and Webber has a healthy self-image.

I saw it with my sister-in-law. She loves it! She wants to see it a hundred times and she wants to go to Vegas to see the musical.
marumae From: [info]marumae Date: January 8th, 2005 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
>I think Handsome Gerard Butler is cast as Phantom because the Phantom is Andrew Lloyd Webber's avatar, and Webber has a healthy self-image.<

Good LORD, you do realize you've ruined the musical for me forever right? I'll now see Andy copin a feel with Emmy in the movie whenever I see it *shudders* @_~ oh well there's still the book *siiiighs*.
theatre_angel From: [info]theatre_angel Date: January 8th, 2005 02:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Brilliant. :-)
holy_whatever From: [info]holy_whatever Date: January 8th, 2005 02:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
I just want to say that I seriously *heart* your icon. WTF was up with her cleavage in that movie? EVERYWHERE! I mean, I know cleavage was making a comeback in the 1870's but still.
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the_wanlorn From: [info]the_wanlorn Date: January 8th, 2005 02:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
::looks around sneakily::

::opens half of trenchcoat to reveal bootleg version::

::bad bootleg version::

::REALLY BAD bootleg version::

::the epitome of bootlegs bootleg version::

:-P
ihartpunkboyz From: [info]ihartpunkboyz Date: January 9th, 2005 10:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
hey.. ive been looking around for a long time and i was wondering if you actually do have a bootleg of ALW phantom of the opera
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holy_whatever From: [info]holy_whatever Date: January 8th, 2005 02:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Okay, I'm a huge fan of the musical, so I came out of the movie kinda sad but OMG IT WAS SO FUNNY.

Miranda Richardson and her accent bothered me to no end. I mean, damn it, be consistent and have everyone in the same accent.

The Phantom's opera totally does suck. And I love how the audience starts getting all upset because it's 'so sensual.'

And did you notice that when we have the whole Christine singing "Think of Me" sequence, she's wearing this huge sparkly gown with lots of sparkles and it's so shiny and pretty and I want to gag omg...and it's an aria from Hannibal? Their previous costumes totally fit, but now she's wearing this gigantic period dress. OMGWTF?

I love that Christine is still trying to figure out if the Phantom/Angel is her father's ghost two hours into the movie.

OMG I KNOW HAHAHAHA. That's in the play too and it always strikes me as hilarious.

Also - you know Raoul's 'brilliant' plan? The "Let's trap him IN HIS OWN HOME!" plan? Always makes me laugh, because a. it's a stupid plan since the Phantom's obviously going to know his way around the tunnels and whatnot, since they can NEVER FIND HIM THERE, and b. IT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS PLAN EVER. Why has no one thought of this before? And they all act like it's PURE GENIUS!

I love the actual "Phantom of the Opera" song, because it is the most '80s thing ever.

OMG so right. With the big scary organs going DUUNNNNN and the electric guitars hahahahahaha.

AGHHHHH I love it. I love it in all its hilarious, horrific glory.
ter369 From: [info]ter369 Date: January 8th, 2005 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Their previous costumes totally fit, but now she's wearing this gigantic period dress. OMGWTF?

I got the plot point, because she's singing at a Gala. (And looking exactly like the Winterhalter portrait of Empress Elisabeth of Austria.)

In the play, they don't have time for a change, so they overdress Christine and events jump to her triumph in the Hannibal role.

Well, it doesn't entirely suck as a play.
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darkartsgoddess From: [info]darkartsgoddess Date: January 8th, 2005 02:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
My goodness you make me laugh so much! "the lost Hanson brother" Tehe! I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I know I did too!
queenmabwords From: [info]queenmabwords Date: January 8th, 2005 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
"I love the arms with the candelabra, because that is a direct steal from Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast. I am so in love with that part. Respect."

That is very cool! I loved that weird movie! When he changed into the prince, I think Beauty said, "It make take me a while to get used to you like this."
zrath From: [info]zrath Date: January 11th, 2005 03:04 am (UTC) (Link)


I have much love for Jean Cocteau's "La Belle Et La Bete".
Not only is it one of my favorite childhood fairy tales (I grew up in France),
but Cocteau's movie version is the absolute best adaptation of a fairy tale I have ever seen!
Admittedly, bits of it spooked me when I first saw it.
The special effects are simple (this was done in Paris under Nazi occupation!)
but they're still quite effective. The look and feel is very unique.
This is what happens when a real artist puts together a movie.


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ankhet From: [info]ankhet Date: January 8th, 2005 02:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love that Christine is still trying to figure out if the Phantom/Angel is her father's ghost two hours into the movie. Because... ew, dude. That renders the whole "Music of the Night" scene UBER creepy, and not even in a good Boone-Shannon way.

And throughout the entire ordeal, Christine has two expressions: "oh my god!entranced" and "ooohh pretty!entranced" geez.. you could blind a person with how shiny her eyes got
lacrimaeveneris From: [info]lacrimaeveneris Date: January 8th, 2005 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
geez.. you could blind a person with how shiny her eyes got

...not to mention her teeth. Her teeth INVENTED the "oh em gee SHINY" phrase. :P
ter369 From: [info]ter369 Date: January 8th, 2005 02:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love that Miranda Richardson is the only actor who bothers to have a French accent in a movie that is set in Paris.
But they're all possibly speaking French, so all the accents are just there for ... fun. Or, incompetence.

I love how all the operas in the movie are exactly what high-culture phobics see in their nightmares--shrill, overdressed buffoons prancing around a stage.
The Hannibal is a terrific parody of Meyerbeer's grand opera style, and the staging and design harks back to the style of opera in Paris mid-nineteenth century. Il Muto makes me wonder if Lloyd Webber hates Mozart and Rossini as much as I do, which makes sense since he is all about ripping off Puccini.

I love how the Phantom is such a genius that his own opera is... kind of crappy.
Until they start singing the duet, the music is a good chuckle for those of us who've sat through anything by Penderecki.

I love the Dread Pirate Roberts Corps de Ballet in "Point of No Return."
Design & staging seem to reference Don Juan triumphant - post his descent into Hell, per the Baroque era plays and Burlador de Sevilla. At least the reserchers were having a good time.

Victorian = British, not French. I know. Shut up.
Belle Epoque labels that French period, through the Communard and end of century. FYI, or I never get to use my fancy-schmancy seven years of university Theatre History degrees work.

Seriously, though? I hate the "Masquerade" choreography. It's like... fifteen guys voguing and everyone else in miltary formation. The fuck?
And what was the dramatic purpose? Who were the dancers? The company? Patrons? Entertainers brought in for the Bal Masque? It meant nothing. Just like in the play.

If you like Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman, you will hate this movie.
Liking Sarah Brightman is a fundamental clue to having no taste in singing, but that's me and every other person who can read music, match pitches, cringes when she scoops between registers, and knows that songs in other languages are not all necessarily classical ... even if Sarah sings them. I saw Robert Guillaume as the Phantom, and he was about as 180 from Crawford as possible. He managed to snark on the standard staging, just by the way he did it. That's talent!

cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: January 8th, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love all your opera trivia. And yeah--I'm perfectly happy to imagine they're all speaking French. That's why it throws me off to have someone use an actual French accent and go against everyone else.

And you're totally right about the Belle Epoque, of course. I've been researching that period--took me forever to figure out that was the historical term, which made research a LOT easier. I mentioned the Victorians, though, because the BE doesn't seem to have had the same sexual hangups, and of course a British composer (and a British/American audience) would have inherited Victorian baggage, not the French sexual laissez-faire.
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amarantha_raven From: [info]amarantha_raven Date: January 8th, 2005 02:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
I ADORED the original with Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman. Even so I loved this version because it was everything I expected. I was dying in the theater with the need to laugh, but I couldn't since I'm sick and it would just lead to a coughing fit. The accents (or complete lack of them in some cases) didn't bug me as much as the random singing when they should be talking. >.< and the fact that Raoul was getting on my nerves by the end. I was wishing they'd throw in a plot twist and let the Phantom kill him.
wiliqueen From: [info]wiliqueen Date: January 10th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Whereas I'm far more bugged by random talking when they should be singing...
From: [info]katla_asriel Date: January 8th, 2005 02:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mom went with me, and she loves the show, and so she largely disliked the movie.

That's weird, because my mom is actually totally OK with the movie. We pouted together about the whole "OMG THE CHANDELIER DIDN'T FALL UNTIL AFTER THE POINT OF NO RETURN WTF," but she's still talking about owning it on DVD. Hee.

I have never seen the show - I just listen to the soundtrack religiously and pray that someday the show will come back to San Francisco, like it did that one time and stayed for five years (I was too young to see it - I hated theatre as a child, because I was an uncultured brat). So, I take that the show!Masquerade choreography is better? Because I don't have anything to compare it to, and I totally love that song.

Another thing that bothered me was Emmy's cleavage, which was (heee) the thing that let me snatch my icon OF DOOM, which pretty much sums up all that's wrong, in a way, with the movie.

Can't wait for the M15M! (Not so sure about my mom.)

-Katla
corinnethewise From: [info]corinnethewise Date: January 8th, 2005 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
I am in love with your icon. I'd like to take it out then casually slip into the conversation that I'd like to have lots of sex and babies. (Wow, random movie quote that just popped out there).
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havocs_roman From: [info]havocs_roman Date: January 8th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Er... I love PotO. The book, that is. And ALW's shamelessly sugarcoated musical. And the Brightman-Crawford OCR. And, freaky as it may be, I loved the movie, too. *hides*

I'm *very* critical of it, but all in all, considering I shuddered at the notion of having Schumacher direct it, I was pleasantly surprised. In fact, unless you're a rabid SB-MC fan, it can't be that much of a disappoitment (I refuse to discuss the voices. That's much too big a can of worms.), I think... but to each his own.

But I *must* jump in defense of 'Stranger Than You Dreamt It', which is one of my faves as sung by Michael Crawford. Butler, as much as I liked his acting (not to mention his thighs), really struggled in this one. But it sounds a lot better as sung by a *singer* rather than a singin actor. I swear!
harpoholic From: [info]harpoholic Date: January 10th, 2005 02:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Maybe you're just so full of PotO!love that you just love anything PotO, even if it's bad like the movie?

... as much as I liked his acting (not to mention his thighs)

Ehehehe. *g*

But it sounds a lot better as sung by a *singer* rather than a singin actor.

I think the entire musical does....
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pistolharris From: [info]pistolharris Date: January 8th, 2005 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
Masquerade Choreography was laughable.
Miranda Richardson's accent was awesome.
The WHOLE of Point of No Return was hilarious and brilliant.

But you're all missing the point! What made this movie great, and I mean truly spectacular, was the fact that THERE WAS A MIDGET FOLLOWING ARDON JUAN AROUND!!!

OMGWTFMIDGET!
lacrimaeveneris From: [info]lacrimaeveneris Date: January 8th, 2005 03:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
And he was in Hannibal too. I was like... WTF IS UP WITH THE MIDGET??? Where did HE come from? And then he's looking under ladies' skirts & they'll randomly show him... WHATTTT???
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the_grim_wombat From: [info]the_grim_wombat Date: January 8th, 2005 03:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
XD Okay... I dont agree with everything you say *is a delirious Phangirl* but your review CRACKED ME UP. I've ALWAYS thought that Don Juan Triumphant was... not exactly genius material. And in the original cast recording, right after Christine wakes up, there's this HIDEOUS organ noise that I swear to god is just the Phantom banging his head against the keyboard, beacause there is no way in hell that anyone could actually PLAY that bad. XD

But as much as I love the title song, I've got to agree -- very very very 80s. And the drum machine? OH MAN. It's great.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought it was sorta sad that Christine hadn't figured out that, NO, that is NOT YOUR FATHER. ...I'm reasonably sure that Erik and Raoul don't like her for her mind.

Also... Carlotta > THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. <333333 XD Minnie Driver was so awesome in that role.

Anyway, your review made my day. XD Hilarious, as always. I would love to see a PotO in Fifteen Minutes... *puppydog eyes* Please?
lacrimaeveneris From: [info]lacrimaeveneris Date: January 8th, 2005 03:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
HIDEOUS organ noise that I swear to god is just the Phantom banging his head against the keyboard, beacause there is no way in hell that anyone could actually PLAY that bad. XD

That made me spit out my chai. (for the record- I can play that badly. :P)

Carlotta > THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. <333333 XD Minnie Driver was so awesome in that role

Nice to see someone agrees with me (and cleo!). She was so. damn. funny.
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