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I'm going to put all of the Narnia stuff behind a cut, but if you're on the fence and want something to push you over the edge into seeing the movie, this is it.

>> I had seen the pictures of the White Witch's battle outfit for months. The one with the polar bear chariot that's photoshopped to look blue and snowy in the poster art, you know--I've used it in my icons. But I'd seen it in its proper context and I still hadn't realized what I was looking at until I happened to read something on Narniaweb--I thought it was prairie grass or something (see interview snippet here). And no one I have talked to has realized what it was, either, until it was pointed out--once you know, it's obvious, but it--it's just not something you would expect.

So the battle at the end arrives, and I want my sister to fully appreciate what she's seeing, so I lean over and whisper, "You know what she's wearing, right?"

"No, what?"

"SHE'S WEARING ASLAN'S MANE."

"HOLY SHIT."

The White Witch is freakin' hardcore, y'all.

>> And then she pwns Edmund in battle.

>> And then she brings out the two swords and pwns Peter. You get the feeling that she could have totally finished him off if she weren't having so much fun fucking with him.

>> I have got to scan in the Michael Hague illustration of how Aslan finishes the Witch off, because--costume and setting aside--it is very like what actually happens. And is awesome.

>> Aslan is very obviously Liam Neeson; they didn't fiddle with his voice or lower it or anything. Fortunately, it didn't really stick out after the first couple of lines.

>> Speaking of which, the Aslan and beavers effects are awesome. Also, I just realized that I wasn't thinking of the wolves as effects as all.  

>> They skip the part where Aslan and Susan and Lucy romp around after the Stone Table, and thank God, because I can see that falling completely flat on film. It would stop the movie dead right when the battle's just gotten started, and the effects would inevitably look like first Harry Potter movie quidditch crap.

>> Lucy is the cutest little girl ever. Like, weapons-grade cute.

>> My sister is now in love with Mr. Tumnus. I'm afraid she's going to have to fight Lucy for him, though, assuming that the vice squad doesn't come down on him for hitting on a toddler first.

>> My sister says she will settle for Peter.

>> I kind of want to hug Edmund. They got such a great kid to play him--he's a surly little bastard but he misses his dad and they spend 85% of the movie making him feel like shit for what he did, and shit's like, "HEY! Don't involve me in this!" I'm not even going to spoil the Witch's line in the dungeon when she tells Tumnus what Edmund did, because it's that awesome.

>> The part in the Witch's sledge is awesome, because you can see her petting and feeding and flattering Edmund with all this sugary calculation and then she just forgets and goes "NO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE!" It's not even so much that she's faking being nice as that she's faking being human.

>> P.S. Watch for the lion that Edmund drew a mustache on at the coronation. I can't figure out if the lion doesn't know he's got a mustache and glasses drawn on, or he can't get them off, or he's just so proud that the king drew on him that he doesn't care.

>> That, and I swear to God Susan actually says "Oh, REALLY?" at one point. I think it's around when they first get to Narnia, but I'm not sure. Seriously, someone watch for that and tell me what the context is, because I was too busying choking on my own laughter. I want a Susan O RLY? icon that somehow makes sense so bad I can taste it.

I had miscellaneous issues with the movie--the music was too loud, with too much Our Lady of Soundtrack Woodling; some of the lines and/or acting needed to be a little more natural (the scene where Susan and Lucy splash around in the creek comes to mind, and then the part just after where Susan announces that She Needs to Get Some Practice); I loved that they got Michael Madsen for Maugrim, but he needed to shut the hell up and just bite Peter, for God's sake, because that "You just don't have what it TAKES" shit got old fast; Peter needed to STFU after about the eighteenth "When are you going to learn?" bit; the major points of the movie were hammered home a bit hard ("Why don't you start ACTING like a family?"), but it is a children's movie, so I keep reminding myself to cut it a little slack. All in all, two thumbs up, didn't rape my childhood, Susan's got it goin' on, fine holiday fun.

I think the Lovely Emily and I may go see it tomorrow night (her first time, my second) when she gets in from out of town, whee!


ETA: "Ok so here's the hard part, which is better Narnia or Goblet?"


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crucioveritas From: [info]crucioveritas Date: December 10th, 2005 12:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Ok so here's the hard part, which is better Narnia or Goblet?
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 12:30 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, it's hard to say, because on one hand, Goblet has a group of child actors who have now worked out many of the kinks in their acting, and the whole cast has a very lived-in, comfortable chemistry now. I think the Narnia kids are better now than the Potter kids were in the first movie, but then, the older Pevensie kids are in their late teens. And I think Adamson is a better director, in terms of getting decent performances, than Columbus was. I think Cuaron pulled better performances from all the kids, and Newell pulled a fantastic performance from Radcliffe in this last one--both of those directors focused on more "natural" acting. So Adamson and the Narnia kids are kind of in the middle range.

Goblet's also an "older" movie, in terms of the target audience, so it's a lot more harrowing (a good thing). On the other hand, they're trying to cram this huge book into less than three hours, and while they make some great adaptation calls, towards the end, the who/what/where/how starts to fall apart, like when Dumbledore's like, "They're going to find they're missing a prisoner." NO KIDDING, MAN. Narnia's the opposite--they've *expanded* a relatively brief book, so all the plot points you need to understand what's going on are there.

I've seen Goblet three times now and Narnia only once, so it's hard to judge--I'd have to see Narnia at least once more, because I can only think of it in terms of "Oh, I really loved that one moment" or "I wish they hadn't done that right there," rather than the movie as a whole right now.
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callmesyd From: [info]callmesyd Date: December 10th, 2005 12:12 am (UTC) (Link)
I know Susan said it a bit before the big ol' fight, when she and Lucy were hanging out.

"We used to have fun together, didn't we?"
"Yes. Before you got BORING."
"O RLY"
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Heeeeeeeeeee, that sounds about right.
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melpemone From: [info]melpemone Date: December 10th, 2005 12:13 am (UTC) (Link)
Congratulations: this post has actually, finally, sparked my interest in this movie. :)
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Heeeee. What finally pushed you over the edge?

(Man, I have lived your icon so many times.)
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geartemis From: [info]geartemis Date: December 10th, 2005 12:13 am (UTC) (Link)
Ooh, sounds awesome. Can't wait to see this; might this weekend...
onlyinlexington From: [info]onlyinlexington Date: December 10th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC) (Link)
...and they spend 85% of the movie making him feel like shit for what he did, and shit's like, "HEY! Don't involve me in this!"

Hahahahahahahha..I'm sorry... I was imagining Mister Hanky saying that..
From: [info]handful Date: December 10th, 2005 12:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Dude, the part with the mane in my group?

Person 1: Dude, why is she wearing a frilly Elizabethian collar?
Person 2: Yeah, I already get her confused with Cate anyway.
Me: ... that's Aslan's mane, dorks.
Both: ... oh, snaps.
cimness From: [info]cimness Date: December 10th, 2005 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)
yeah, i totally noticed the mane thing and was suitably impressed. so cool! the great thing about thoroughly realising these imaginary worlds on screen, like here and in lotr, is when they come up with details like that that aren't in the book but fit with supreme coolness. i can't wait to see this movie.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Exactly. Like that poor lion at the coronation. And keep an eye out for "Philip," he's fun. ; )
gglass From: [info]gglass Date: December 10th, 2005 12:35 am (UTC) (Link)
I can't wait to see it...unfortunately, my semester doesn't end until next Wednesday. Booo. Booo.

Tell your sister to watch Sci-Fi Channel's Children of Dune miniseries from a few years ago. Mr. Tumnus (fka James McAvoy) is very shirtless in it. Sexy Shirtless Scot aside, it's also a pretty decent adaptation of the book.

She might also want to check out Rory O'Shea Was Here. It's a great movie, and Mr. Tumnus gets to show off his acting chops (as well as a slightly ridiculous haircut).
silvermoon13 From: [info]silvermoon13 Date: December 10th, 2005 12:36 am (UTC) (Link)
i caught the part where the white witch was wearing aslan's mane and had about the same reaction... but what in the hell was on her shoulder at the stone table?! is this mentioned in the book and i've just forgotten about it?

regardless, she was COMPLETELY bad ass - and lucy was the cutest little girl in the world.
deliciouspear From: [info]deliciouspear Date: December 10th, 2005 01:01 am (UTC) (Link)
It's a raven-wing that she's wearing. It's not in the book - I think it was just there to make her seem even more "fallen angel."
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telesilla From: [info]telesilla Date: December 10th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC) (Link)
All in all, two thumbs up, didn't rape my childhood, Susan's got it goin' on, fine holiday fun.

I'm really glad to see you say this because the Narnia books, for me, occupy the same place the LotR books do for other people. I'm so glad everyone I know who's seen this movie is giving it great reviews, because it makes me feel better about seeing it tonight.
deliciouspear From: [info]deliciouspear Date: December 10th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I feel the way you do about the Narnia books and I thought it was stunning. I bawled all the way through it.
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khaman From: [info]khaman Date: December 10th, 2005 12:38 am (UTC) (Link)
The only thing that makes me wibbly (or, in english, hesitant) to see this movie is no fault of the movie itself. The non-stop theologic/political drum-beating that's going on for it is just making me nuts.

There have been emails going out to church-goers equating this movie to the Passion of the Christ and that they MUST go see it opening weekend to push it. Which is a bit scary, but okay, but it's then the whole tone of sticking it to the non-Christians which bugs me.

I take comfort in the fact that it drove Tolkien batshit, too.

But I want to see the Witch in action so. freaking. bad.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Someone quoted a letter Lewis wrote to some Maryland schoolchildren (I think it's in the comments in one of the two previous entries) where he basically says, Aslan isn't *specifically* Jesus. Aslan was his attempt to say, what if a fairy tale/fantasy world had a character that functioned as a savior? And as Aslan is a lion, not a man, "he is very different." He also mentions Bacchus and "rivers running with wine" when Tumnus first meets Lucy, so really, anyone who says, by God, LWW is a Christian allegory and Aslan IS Jesus is forcing an outside POV on the book that isn't there.

Tilda Swinton, in one of those interviews I linked to, said something really interesting--that she thought the story wasn't Christian per se because Christian stories tend to be about faith, about submitting to and finding comfort in a higher power, and LWW--the movie version, certainly--is rather about these children going out into the world (or this world, anyway) and learning to take care of themselves and triumph, which is more of a classic fairy-tale trope. I mean, the movie battle, in particular? Is fought on the assumption that Aslan is dead and will not be there to help them. It's not fought on the faith that someone will swoop in and save them, although that it happens is totally a bonus. It's fought because Peter and Edmund feel a responsibility to the Narnians, and they assume leadership roles and do things they didn't think they could (Peter, in particular).
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eldritch_flame From: [info]eldritch_flame Date: December 10th, 2005 12:39 am (UTC) (Link)
I just saw it earlier today, and I so did not realize that she was wearing Aslan's mane. I just though she had really bad fashion sense (although not based solely on that outfit). Well, that's certainly one way to demoralize your enemies.
ambiguousreason From: [info]ambiguousreason Date: December 10th, 2005 12:42 am (UTC) (Link)
My sister is now in love with Mr. Tumnus. I'm afraid she's going to have to fight Lucy for him, though, assuming that the vice squad doesn't come down on him for hitting on a toddler first.

*seriously cannot stop laughing*

My sister says she will settle for Peter.

Ummm, your sister pwns. *runs away*
deliciouspear From: [info]deliciouspear Date: December 10th, 2005 12:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Tell your sister watch "Children of Dune."

James McAvoy at his hottest! (see Icon)
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thunderphoenix From: [info]thunderphoenix Date: December 10th, 2005 12:42 am (UTC) (Link)
I really like that the movie didn't shy away from all the talking animals. I would have been really disappointed without them.
sophia_helix From: [info]sophia_helix Date: December 10th, 2005 12:50 am (UTC) (Link)
I just have to say -- Michael Hague! I had his Secret Garden growing up and then I lost it, and not even the Tasha Tudor version could console me. Then I found it in a used bookstore for $20 last summer and snapped it up right away.

So I should check out his Narnia too. :)

(And the mane!! I feel like such a dork. I saw a bunch of clips from the film a few months back and couldn't figure out what she was wearing. *g*)
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Again, I looked at the pictures dozens of times, and I didn't realize at all what it was. It's not just y'all. ; )
faded_lilac From: [info]faded_lilac Date: December 10th, 2005 12:52 am (UTC) (Link)
How did I miss that she was wearing Aslan's mane? That is hardcore.
deliciouspear From: [info]deliciouspear Date: December 10th, 2005 12:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I think people just aren't looking for that kind of bad-assitude in a "kid's movie."

deliciouspear From: [info]deliciouspear Date: December 10th, 2005 12:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Jadis rocked ass across the board.

I love it how in most fantasy it would have been "We broke her wand - all her minions die and every enchanted person somes back to life!"

In this it's like "You broke my wand! Die Brat! Now I'll take your sword and go fuck up your brother."
From: [info]wendyzski Date: December 10th, 2005 11:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
and Edmund is all like "Hah - I broke your wand!....ow?" (thud)
icefacade From: [info]icefacade Date: December 10th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)
we're going to see it tonight!
particle_person From: [info]particle_person Date: December 10th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)
You did see the Lucy thing after all. I thought it had fallen prey to the email-comment eater. Thanks for linking it. I know it's written at the level of bad fanfic, but I can't seem to do better these days. Sigh. Anyhow, I added a pic of Lucy and her friend Mr. Trigger.
ghost_huntress From: [info]ghost_huntress Date: December 10th, 2005 01:15 am (UTC) (Link)
Apparently, in this movie Our Lady of Soundtrack Sorrow was played by Amy Lee (the Evanescence chick)

I find that funny, in a really backwards way. If there ever was a lady to be named The One Of Angsty Wailing, it would be her.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Really? I'd heard she was going to do the Imogen Heap song at the end (or... a song in place of Imogen Heap) but it ended up going to... Imogen Heap. So Our Lady of Woodling really was Amy Lee? Huh.
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grlnamedlucifer From: [info]grlnamedlucifer Date: December 10th, 2005 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)
.....holy fuck, you're right! Damn, Jadis *is* hardcore! I mean, I loved the BBC versions, but while that Witch was creepy, this one seems like she really *could* be the devil.

And seeing as how he spent Children of Dune hitting on his sister, I'm strangely okay with him hitting on a little girl.
juliet_a From: [info]juliet_a Date: December 10th, 2005 01:22 am (UTC) (Link)

Off-topic

Hey, just in case you didn't spot this yourself, I thought I'd point out that your entry tags aren't working the way they should, because a comma's missing. :)
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Off-topic

Awww, shit. And now I'll have a "movies narnia" tag I can't get rid of even if I'm not using it for anything. That drives me nuts--del.icio.us uses tags without commas, so I keep forgetting which is which.
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la_sonnambula From: [info]la_sonnambula Date: December 10th, 2005 01:46 am (UTC) (Link)
The poor James McAvoy, going from this to this.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I... I kind of like him better as a faun. I think it's the Pippin Took-ish look he has about him.
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theatre_angel From: [info]theatre_angel Date: December 10th, 2005 01:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Aslan's mane? Fuck, yo. That really is hardcore. (And seriously. I wanted Jadis to be my mother or sister or something. She was so cool. I mean, she could totally own my ass in two seconds flat, but that is just what makes her so cool.)

Peter was obscenely sexy. As was Susan, and that was slightly disturbing, as the last thing I'd seen her do was hit on Jonathan Lipnicki in The Little Vampire. I have no words to describe the brilliance of Mr. Tumnus (though when he and Lucy were staring off the balcony at Aslan, I was kind of like, "So...are you going to hook up now?"). And I think Susan says O RLY at the creek scene, after Lucy says, "Before you became boring."

That was my mini Narnia review because I can't be bothered to put it in my own journal. Eep.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 02:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I kept imagining the balcony scene as Lucy thinking, "Someday, I'm gonna marry that faun," and Tumnus being like, "Queen Susan has got it goin' *on.*" It cracked me up how Susan just immediately hugged him the first time she saw him, and how the poor guy had to be thinking, "Dude, I have got to trade up. Susan's actually got secondary sex characteristics!"
firefly_ca From: [info]firefly_ca Date: December 10th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC) (Link)
ASLAN'S MANE?!

Well if I didn't think the Witch rocked evil before I do now! Loved the movie SO much. Really. I just got back from it and had to force myself not to turn around and go see it again.

Now, I don't know it that's because James McAvoy is still so gorgeous even with all the prosthetics, or because Peter was played by someone cute enough to suit my longstanding literary crush, or because they kept throwing in references to the other books, or because it was THAT GOOD, or maybe just, like you said, I'm elated that they didn't rape my childhood. I think I need to give it some time to sink in and then go watch again before I really decide how awesome it was, but whatever I decide, it's convinced me that they damn well better make ALL the movies now. And they need to start yesterday.
cleolinda From: [info]cleolinda Date: December 10th, 2005 03:18 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, Adamson said they definitely want to do Caspian next, and they want to do it while the four kids are still kids, so that bodes well.
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