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@anngeeksout: Exposing the love/hate relationship fans have with beloved fantasy franchises, in which I get quoted on something other than Twilight! (But also Twilight.)

Counter-programming/Secret Life is ready to go, so I'll probably post that pretty early tomorrow. I have Thoughts on Deathly Hallows, but I am tired. I'm definitely going to try to see it again in the next few days. First, however, I will leave you with two actualfax tweets I posted from inside the theater last night (during the hour we had waiting for it to start):


@cleolinda: We just had, like, a flash mob wizard battle. Then a referee popped up and yelled, "UNNECESSARY QUAFFLING!"

@cleolinda: A manager looked up at the audience and said, baffled, "I didn't have nothin' to do with that."



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You always seem to have such fun audiences for these movies.

When I saw it at midnight last night, before it started a bunch of kids from my university's theater department performed the beginning of A Very Potter Musical. There was much rejoicing.

Hah!

AVPM/S have warped my thinking - it took a good, long moment for me to realize that it was Yaxley speaking at Malfoy Manor. I was all: "But isn't Yaxley black?"

Thanks, AVPM.

I had the exact same reaction.

At 11:01 five teenaged girls in our theatre stood up and yelled, "One hour until the Ministry falls!"

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Mine had a funny reaction to Mars Needs Moms. The trailer ended and the entire audience very clearly went, "Ehhhhh." I just find it hilarious that as a group we were unimpressed.

Mine did as well. Huge cheering and laughter when the title came up.

I enjoyed it. Nice to be at a crowded movie theater again, nice to have a Harry Potter night again.

I know my theatre definitely laughed at that trailer... or really, when the title was revealed. Haha.

My sister in law got a spell cast on her by Professor Snape and Hagrid when we walked into the theater for the showing we went to. We also watched a dementor chase some poor middle school age kid around the theater.

In the theatre I was in, myself and a couple of girls I met there rallied the entire theatre into doing the Potter Puppet Pals song the Mysterious Ticking Noise. It was all kinds of amazing.

Oh, fandom. Never change.

Is Unnecessary Quaffling your next garage band?

More proof I live in Dullsville. Nothing like that would ever happen in any of our movie theaters!

You know, I hated Azkaban when it came out, because that book is my absolute favorite, but as time has worn on, it's grown on me, and is probably my second favorite of the films now. I think, at some critical point, you have to look at films and books and go, "These are different animals. These are stories set in the same world and with the same characters, and while the fundamentals remain true, they are NOT THE SAME." It's the only way to get peace over it, particularly if you're a canon whore (as I am) and happen to love some of the details/characters that get left out.

As much as I appreciate Tolkien's work and studied it religiously to write my senior paper in high-school, I actually (*gasp*), like the films better. I find them much more accessible and much more emotionally investing, often because they did add elements to the characters that are sometimes absent in the books, and because everything extraneous was streamlined out of there. The focus on the central plot and characters makes it much more comprehensible, and the films are gorgeous visually (and musically), as well. Peter Jackson and crew did a brilliant job with those and I will never think otherwise. The spirit of Middle Earth is there, even if every teensy detail isn't the same.

Spirit is probably really what's important. Keep the heart of the story intact, and the film will have its own merit.

The problem, in fact, with the Twilight franchise as movies (imho)is that, instead of highlighting the soul of the books, they highlight...all the flaws. And the creepiness. And the vaguely hollow plot. You watch those, with Bella's internal monologue completely cut out (whether this is good or bad is debatable), and you realize how superficial and dysfunctional those characters really are. Ye gods, the Jacob imprinting scene, I can imagine.

Anyway, /rambling. :D I'm glad you had an awesome audience when you saw DH and I hope you enjoyed the movie!

Don't get me started on the LOTR movies...

Matter of perspective I guess...

Many people consider the movies better than the books and like Bella more when don't hear her whiny. I particularly consider it diferent versions of the same story and enjoy each.

And I'm right there with you with Azkaban I was stark raving mad when it first came out, but I realize that because I just read the book and had the scenes on my mind I didn't appreciated Cuaron's take. It took me rewatch it on cable a year after to fully love it for what it was. One of the reasons I didn't reread Deathly Hollows.

I completely agree with your first paragraph. The 3rd movie is my favorite, because Alfonso Cuaron had the guts to deviate a little and make the movie MORE than just an echo of the books. I think he really gave the movies their own voice that is separate from the books, and proved that they can stand on their own as good work. I can't stand the endless amount of "They chaaanged things!!!" I hear whenever a new movie comes out, because I accepted LONG ago that movies and books are completely different art forms and filmmakers will never leave enough in to satisfy some people.

Exposing the love/hate relationship fans have with beloved fantasy franchises...

Heh. Speaking of, I just rented M! NIGHT! SHAYMALAN'S! The Last Airbender!... and as a big fan of the TV series, I just have to say, all the HP fanboys out there complaining about inconsequential things like Harry's eyes being the wrong color - THEY CAN SUCK IT - because they've yet to learn what "ignoring canon" is all about.

I mean, damn. O_o

They even avoided giving Dumbledore a flashback girlfriend because JKR said she envisioned the character as gay. Never a hint in the books, yet the movie folks respected it as canon anyway. YAY!

...What? Um...Huh? Why would the movie directors give Dumbledore a girlfriend? And did you read Deathly Hallows? Rowling said Dumbledore and Grindlewald were gay together. So yeah, there was a "hint" in the books.

This was on one of the earlier movies before Book 7 had been released. The script called for some kind of flashback to Dumbledore's younger life and, as a minor part of its flavor, they wanted to show Dumbledore with a female romantic partner. JKR had to pull them aside and tell them not to, because the character was gay.

Ouch.
My mom and I are fans of the ATLA, so we're debating on whether or not we want to see that movie now that it's on DVD and we can Redbox it or something. May I ask, is it good-MSTing-material bad or get-out-the-liquor bad?

I'm not even sure it's funny bad. It's just bad. I actually felt secondhand embarrassment watching it in the theater.

I was afraid of that. I saw a couple of scenes that people had posted online, and they were either "that's so dumb it's hilarious" or "...the hell was that?" Knowing that most of the movie is the latter is both good information and very saddening.

I enjoy some pretty godawful movies for the lulz (MEGASHARK V QUANTUM-COBRA! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!) but even at that, I thought Airbender was pretty unwatchable. As a fan, they did so much wrong, you get tired of even trying to laugh at it. Rather than list its problems, I think it'd be easier just to say "the sets and the costumes were beautiful," because that's really the only bit they did well, let alone "right" in terms of adaptation.

What I found really bizarre was that on the DVD features, Mike and Bryan are interviewed, and they talk about how much effort they put into world-building of the series. The story arcs, the character development, the romance/comedy/drama, the ASIAN!ASIAN!ASIAN! influences are all lovingly explained... and then the movie version has none of that. It was like, "Here's everything that made the show cool, now watch the movie that ignores it all!" IDGI.

Yeah, I remember hearing other fans talk about how much they changed and changed for the worse, and I really just didn't understand how you can take something so cool and turn it into something that is (almost) universally hated. It's like, if you were going to try and "make this your own saga" or whatever, why not just make your own rather than taking something that already works and...doing whatever the heck he did? As my mom said after she read some reviews "Never let M. Night near anything you love." xP

Though, I honestly don't think they should have tried to make a live-action movie out of it anyway, but I don't want to get all NERD RAEG up in here. ;)

I missed the first 20 minutes because my idiot ticket taker pointed me into the wrong theater. He was all, "Go right in there," and I walked in like a sheep. Didn't find out till the end of the movie that it was the 11:15 showing, not my 11:40. I was going to see it again tomorrow anyhow, so I guess I'll find out the beginning then. But sheee-it.

Oh Cleo I think as long as Twilight exist you are going to get quoted on it

Now I'm not checking this site till I watch HP I would had gone to the midnight showing but my mother in law is a fan and we are going to go together and she didn't liked the idea of getting there so late. Which at 70 I don't blame her.

Happy Pottermas!

In my theater, there was a group who had clearly not read the books. There started out making fun of everything but after some time they became as quiet as the rest of us until the scene of Dobby's death. At that point, at least two of that group went: NOOOOOOOOO, NOT DOBBY!


I wonder if I have an easier time of film-translations taking different choices to the books as a result of growing up with the Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy. That instilled in me the idea that you can have a single story told many ways, and each can be as valid as the other. Many people see the books as the definitive story - yet they weren't even the first version.

Of course the situation is a bit different with Harry Potter - Douglas Adams wrote the various adaptations himself. But at the same time JKR has been so closely involved (unusually so for the author) that they obviously have her stamp of approval as a way of telling her story.

So I don't mind when slight changes are made to the journey when you still reach the same destination. The much-dreaded dancing scene is an excellent example. In the book, it worked to have Harry tell Ron about their discomfort together in his absence. In the film, it worked to have them show through the dancing that no, Harry could not be a substitute for Ron. Two journeys, more-or-less the same destination. (I know that the message in the book is deeper than that in the film - but that's generally the case anyway. I thought the dancing scene added some needed levity which was then shot straight down by the look on Hermione's face at the end, creating an effective emotional punch.)

Yeah, I didn't actually mind that scene in context, because Kloves had so amped up the Harry/Hermione stuff through the whole series that they really did need to finally address that no, it wasn't going to turn out that way. "Ron, she's like my sister" may not have actually had a ring of truth to it after the way he had written those characters, so they had to do something else.

THIS! Yes yes yes, you put my exact thoughts into words.

I thought the dancing scene added some needed levity which was then shot straight down by the look on Hermione's face at the end, creating an effective emotional punch

Agreed.

What I really liked about the Deathly Hallows film was that it was so respectful of canon. Sorcerer's Stone and Chamber of Secrets were, too, but in a very obvious, literal way. I liked that finally, we were given a Potter film that successfully merged artistic license with canon fact. I LIKED that people who haven't read the books would probably not be able to keep up with this one. I LIKED that the pacing was adjusted and it's two movies so that we can see every little detail. I do have a list of things that I'm wondering why they left out, but they're all either really tiny details that probably don't matter, or small things that they could easily have moved to Part 2. I enjoyed this film, but I'm reserving final judgment until I see Part 2. If they messed that up, it will be monumentally, infuriatingly, offensively disappointing. But if they did a good job, it could be the most emotional and beautiful film experience of the franchise.

"When you get to 'The Deathly Hallows,' you've really kind of shot yourself in the foot if you don't have enough of that, because it's a major plot [development]"

Hah, you totally said plot point, didn't you? And she thought it wasn't a mainstream enough phrase and went and changed it. Oh, CNN.

I'm 99% sure that's what I must have said. Heh.

apparently that was going on all over the place?

ALSO OMG, ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT FANS ARE UPSET ABOUT DANIEL RADCLIFFE'S BLUE EYES WITHOUT MAKING THEM SOUND LIKE THEY'RE NUTS FOR CARING?

that article

wow

surprisingly...good.

/approves so hard

/thanks you for the role you played

I was pleasantly surprised by my showing. Friday night, the day after it was released, in a kind of horrible city full of idiots. However, I guess everyone else was feeling the excitement because they were silent as the grave....apart from the girl sitting directly behind me who screamed at the snake, which at least provided us all with a few tension-relieving giggles.

We had a "hilarious" guy in our theater who decided to yell "JUST KISS ALREADY!" during one of Hermione and Ron's longing-filled silences. And then an actually hilarious girl goes "NOT TIL THE SECOND MOVIE." That was awesome.

I found it disturbing that the article misspells Tolkien's name twice.

Flash mob wizard battle sounds amazing. :D

You got to see a wizard battle? I am so jealous. :)

...I went to see the movie on saturday night and me and my two friends were just about the only ones who so much as dressed up. (I went as a Slytherin and they went as Death Eaters.)

*sigh* There is such a nerd shortage where I live.

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