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So I saw Iron Man 3
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As you may recall, I did The Avengers in Fifteen Minutes last summer. Yeah. There will be no Iron Man 3 in any number of minutes. The parts that were good were too funny to do anything with and there were no parts that were bad. There is no foothold for me as a parodist here (or maybe I'm just tapped out from the Hannibal recaps, who knows). There was basically nothing I did not like about this movie. I mean, there might have been some things that were stronger than others, if you can remind me of anything--this ain't gonna be deep; more of a discussion prompt than anything.

THINGS I LIKED (ALL THE THINGS)

I really liked how much Tony was out of the suit(s) while still being a superhero. Because we're here to see RDJ, not a faceplate. I mean, I know it was a whole "does the man make the suit or the suit make the man" theme, but it was just nice to know that it was really his resourcefulness that makes him Iron Man, not the iron on the man. And having all the empty suits act on their own or throwing them onto other people underlined that in a really nice way.

(Tony Stark: Hardware Store Commando.)

I was super concerned about the whole YELLOW PERIL OMG potential of Ben Kingsley's character, but you know what? The way they turned that on its head was just the best.

(Were people actually mad about that? Dude, that was awesome. Portrait of Me Not Giving a Fuck About the Comics, I guess.)

Y'all, how much fun was Guy Pearce having? I had no idea he would be in the movie so much. YAY.

(I'm just going to pretend that "Sorry, that's the universe, my bad" was a Prometheus in-joke, and nobody tell me if it wasn't.)

Not only did I love the movie opening with "Blue," which was hilarious to me for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, Jon Favreau's Vincent Vega hair cracked me up so bad.

Man, the whole blowing-up-of-Tony's-house sequence was so well done. "HEY GUYS SHOULD WE BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS?"

I like that Tony had to deal with PTSD and panic attacks--for a lot of reasons, but mostly because a lot of action/disaster movies don't really acknowledge the chaos and carnage of the previous installments, whereas I can't help but imagine how no one in real life would ever shut up about it.

I usually groan at Child Sidekicks and I was actually okay with this one. Probably because Tony ended up being the brattier of the two.

Ponytail Express was not actually Val Kilmer, but I liked that he really, really looked like he was.

I guess I like that Don Cheadle has really great arms, because otherwise that green polo shirt was not doing him any favors? That said, if Shane Black would like to make a movie where Don Cheadle and Robert Downey Jr. stealth around in the dark fighting crime, he can have my money now.

THINGS ON OIL BOAT EXPLODE BIG! THINGS ON OIL BOAT EXPLODE GOOD! OIL BOAT ITSELF DOES NOT EXPLODE! YAAAAAY!

House Party Protocol: Let me show you my Iron Mans (my Iron Mans, let me show you them).

FACT: The Extremis technology also enhances clothing, which is how [two major characters] can survive Terminator-melting immolation with their garments intact.

I really liked the montage at the end--I honestly kind of hope they don't make another Iron Man movie, it was so good. Like, go out on top while the story feels complete--Tony can always show up in other Marvel movies.

Speaking of which: Tony and Bruce: Science Bros. I hope they were in Stark Tower because Tony was just like, fuck it, we're just going to live in NY now with my superhero posse, and Bruce just has his own apartment there now, and they have science playdates all the time and Pepper makes them whiskey and s'mores and then she and Natasha give each other pedicures or something. (You can have that foot-fetish idea for free.)

And, of course, the idea of Nick Fury inevitably being like "THE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU BLEW UP ALL THE SUITS?!"

There are probably other things I am forgetting because my brain was battered with awesome.



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I understand why you're not doing a 15 minutes for this movie, it is an incredibly fun movie but doesn't really lend itself to that.

In a way this was like a throwback to 80s/early 90s action films and since I am a fan of those I enjoyed Iron Man 3 immensely. I also liked that Pepper had a lot to do.

Yeah, I think people will understand why I'm not--I just wanted to get that out of the way first thing. People forget how few of them I do (how few I have always done in any given year), because they're not easy, and this one might even be impossible; I had a six-week meltdown trying to do the Avengers thing as it was.

Probably because Tony ended up being the brattier of the two.

AHAHAHAHA - yes. True.

Also the tears of fanboi rage over the Mandarin are delicious to me.

Did they really genuinely want Yellow Peril Mandarin? I have a hard time imagining someone who wouldn't be like, "WHEW, here's one less thing I have to feel weird and/or defensive about." Even when it's something I'm deeply invested in, I'm generally happy when an adaptation works around something really, really unfortunate in the original.

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I really like that it doesn't just sidestep the problems, it actually deconstructs them, the way it's handled.

I actually said "JESUS CHRIST, PEPPER!" out loud, in the theater after that finale. It was a little bit "where did that come from?" but mostly "FUCK YEAH!"

I had a bit of the Mandarin-ness spoiled (just in that it was a mask/persona, but not the awesomeness that was Ben Kingsley's portrayal) and my best friend kept whisper-shouting "BUT HE'S NOT EVEN MANDARIN! WHY IS IRON MAN BEING RACIST AT ME?" and getting frustrated when I just kept saying "Waaaaait for it......"

ps - science bros forever!

Edited at 2013-05-06 04:47 pm (UTC)

I think I'd either inferred or picked up that Guy Pearce was the real villain, because why else have him, really, but I didn't know exactly what Ben Kingsley's character was going to turn out to be, which was the best part.

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I just really love Ben Kingsley and am so very glad that he got a chance to be so much more than I thought he was going to be in this movie. I may have openly cackled a bit.

Yeah, I was kind of confused as to why (or even HOW) they would get an actor of his caliber to play what looked like this really problematic throwback character, and then you see the movie and you realize that he must have just had a ball.

I loved the movie! It was kind obvious The Mandarin was not going to be Asian since the actor was british, but the best part is that it doesn't negate the comic's canon - he wasn't the real Mandarin after all.

Avengers 2 is Joss Whedon's, so there will be a foot fetish.

...Ben Kingsley is of Asian ethnicity though?

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Yay! Not many of my friends have seen this yet, so I haven't had a lot of conversations about it, and I don't want to spoil it so there's been a lot of biting my tongue and just going, "I luuurved it, you're going to love it, just go see it already."

I think this has been confirmed as the last Iron Man movie, at least for now no more are planned, but obviously Tony Stark is going to be showing up in other films, at least The Avengers 2. I really like the freedom the cinematic universe brings in that respect: you don't have to keep pushing characters into headlining movies instead you get to have just the right amount of the character in the franchise as a whole. I think it really is impressive how this film manages to be an Iron Man film and an Avengers sequel without awkwardness or seams showing.

I really love what they've done with Pepper on her own and Pepper & Tony as a couple. I'm so happy that their relationship was so much in the movie without any "we can't work, I need to leave you, no, I love you, come back" melodrama. They're just together and the big things going on around them are just big things without triggering any "I put you in danger, this is why I cannot be with you" tediousness.

While I understand being a source material purist, the source material here was racist and there was just no way to de-racist it. I think what they did with The Mandarin was perfect and I love that their pre-release marketing basically punked the audience. How much fun was Sir Ben having in this role?

I had exactly one complaint with this film: I think Paul Bettany deserves a spot in the main credit sequence. His voice acting as JARVIS is great and contributes a lot to my enjoyment of the films.

I think this has been confirmed as the last Iron Man movie

I've heard rumblings about a 4 (or at least some movie sites seem to think this is still a possibility, plus: moneys), but that montage really seems to be saying, "Here's the culmination of all three movies."

I really love what they've done with Pepper on her own and Pepper & Tony as a couple. I'm so happy that their relationship was so much in the movie without any "we can't work, I need to leave you, no, I love you, come back" melodrama. They're just together and the big things going on around them are just big things without triggering any "I put you in danger, this is why I cannot be with you" tediousness.

Yeah, I think there was just enough friction for Pepper to have reasonable concerns about what was going on, but not so much that it turned into one of those This Plot Happened Because People Won't Talk to Each Other things.

While I understand being a source material purist, the source material here was racist and there was just no way to de-racist it. I think what they did with The Mandarin was perfect and I love that their pre-release marketing basically punked the audience.

Yeah, basically the only way around it was to just deconstruct it and be like, "Stereotypes say more about your own fears than the people you think they describe."

Quite a few of my friends are like, actually full-on Frothing Fanboy that the Mandarin was "unused" or "underused" or "NOT THE WAY HE IS IN THE COMICS." I do superhero costuming, and that does lend itself to The Crazy, though. I don't really have much knowledge of pre-90s Iron Man, so to me, he's not really something that was necessary. As a whole, the people that were angry are people that are over-attached to the comic book Avengers as a whole.

I really, really liked it. I loved when Pepper got the suit! It was the closest we are ever going to get to the Rescue storyline, so I was fine with it.

Yeah, see--I was 100% unaware of Iron Man before the first movie was announced. I don't know, I look at this and just kind of go, why would you want to be attached to something like this? But then, things we read or see when we're much younger tend to stick with us on an uncritical, almost primal level (for lack of a better word), and I guess they're seeing something in it beyond "seriously, we can't do this kind of thing anymore."

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Pepper in the suit! Pepper in the suit! She gives me impressions of an older Samus Aran.

Also, if Tony didn't blow up the suits, then they should've left her with her superpowers.

Actually, I feel like they left "fixing" Pepper vague enough that they could let her retain some kind of ability if they wanted to in a later (Avengers?) movie. Which I liked.

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I like that Tony had to deal with PTSD and panic attacks--for a lot of reasons, but mostly because a lot of action/disaster movies don't really acknowledge the chaos and carnage of the previous installments, whereas I can't help but imagine how no one in real life would ever shut up about it.

I agree. What I also like about the PTSD was that Tony was trying to rationalize what happened in Avengers with science. To go from fighting "terrorists" to fighting aliens and magic, Tony was obviously out of his elements there.

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That's the thing about superhero/sci-fi/fantasy movies (that I just have to tell myself to get past): if we had proof of something alien or supernatural, I am pretty sure we as a planet would have a complete psychological meltdown over it. I mean, forget the actual damage to New York, I am pretty sure being attacked by aliens would blow our tiny collective mind. And it's one thing to have a movie where that happens and people have to conquer them or save the planet or whatever and victory, the end. It's another when you have a movie come after that, in that post-discovery world. And the Iron Man movies have actually touched on that a little--a world where Tony lives openly as a superhero, for example, and has actual fans. And while I think I have to let go of that line of thought to a large extent, I like that there were some psychological consequences for him after the Avengers movie.

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Yes! All the yes!

I got goosebumps when Tony threw the suit on Pepper, because one of my favorite arcs in the comics involves her getting injured and Tony building her own suit to protect her while he goes into hiding. Because she refuses to be a weapon, he builds her a suit that has absolutely zero weapons and is basically a high tech rescue unit, all super speed and heavy lifting and manipulating magnetic fields. She chooses the superhero name of Rescue. It. Is. Awesome.</> I doubt we will ever get that in a movie, but it made me happy that she got to wear a suit.

There's actually a lot of stuff in this movie from the comics, although most of it has been tweaked a bit.

I'm not sure we should take the Mandarin reveal at face value. Notice the coldness in his eyes when Kingsley reverts back to the Mandarin persona for a second and says "I told them nothing." Also, note how everyone refers to him as Master, and he was clearly lying about thinking he didn't really kill the guy on television. Or maybe Guy Pearce was the real Master/Mandarin. I mean, he did have tattoos of Fin Fang Foom on his chest!

Don Cheadle was such a bad-ass, he barely needs the War Machine suit.

I also thought opening it with "Blue" was hilarious, and I think I can articulate why. So many movies which open with a flashback to a time that most of the moviegoers were alive to see tend to set the scene by playing a song from that year, but they always pick a classic song. This movie picked an absolutely terrible song. ♥ I was like "I see what you did there, Shane."

A few of my friends who didn't like the movie were complaining about him waiting until the last minute for the House Party Protocol, but I just figured he wanted to wait until he saw the whole picture before showing his hand. I mean, he didn't know how big a group he was dealing with, and they could have had his place staked out and been ready to blow up all his Iron Mans.

I also loved them dealing with his PTSD and panic attacks. I thought they were portrayed very realistically.

Overall, my favorite of the three, and my second favorite Marvel movie after Avengers. Can't wait to see it again.

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I got goosebumps when Tony threw the suit on Pepper

I'd only vaguely heard about the Rescue storyline, but I kind of got goosebumps just from how well it was shot/edited. Everything in that entire sequence was so good.

Tony and Bruce: Science Bros. I hope they were in Stark Tower because Tony was just like, fuck it, we're just going to live in NY now with my superhero posse, and Bruce just has his own apartment there now, and they have science playdates all the time and Pepper makes them whiskey and s'mores and then she and Natasha give each other pedicures or something.

Oh gods, YES PLEASE. I would be first in line for that movie.

Funny story. As the credits were rolling, we were trying to speculate if it would be a Thor 2 easter egg or Captain America or what. I said to my friends, "I would love it if we got the SCIENCE BOYFRANS hanging out and doing some science or something." AND THEN IT HAPPENED. I AM MAGICAL. Or something.

And, of course, the idea of Nick Fury inevitably being like "THE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU BLEW UP ALL THE SUITS?!"

BWAHAHAHAA! You owe me a new monitor. I totally heard that in my head in SLJ's voice.

I saw some article last week where apparently some interviewer had the honor of just then introducing Mark Ruffalo to the concept of the internet's love for Science Bros, and he was just tickled over it. In retrospect, I understand now why the interviewer brought it up. Heh.

I agree - this movie was a big pile of awesome. I didn't know anything about the Mandarin going into this except that my husband said he had alien powers and was Iron Man's nemesis or something, but I really liked how it was done. As soon as Trevor showed up I fell in love with Ben Kingsley all over again. I'm not sure I've ever seen him do comedy before (the bulk of my Kingsley experience consists of Gandhi) and I loved it.

I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be the last Iron Man movie (and I truly hope it is) but I'll be curious to see what Tony does in the next Avengers.

Yeah, I hope it's the last one because it was so good, but you know Marvel's got to be looking at the gigantic piles of cash rolling in and having second thoughts.

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pretending calm over-top of sheer terror from the moment he confronts Loki at his penthouse through the end of the movie

You know, I can see that--a certain intensity comes through when he gets to the "we'll avenge it" line. And the panic attacks kind of look like it's that intensity taken to such a level that he just can't even see straight anymore.

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The use of "Blue" was at the same time a fabulous metaphor for Tony himself AND the greatest music trolling that ever trolled.

I can't even explain why I loved that as much as I did. Hee.

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