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Hannibal 2x02: "Sakizuke," part two
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I don't know that this is any kind of intentional reference, but perfume is A Thing in the books as well.

He also mentions Will's aftershave in the book and show.

Every time I read "James Gray", my mind substituted "Jame Gumb."

Also, I want to trend #Kade PrurnellISforeating because, well. I wouldn't shed a tear. (As long as I don't have to watch her eat her own brain, because that's my line.)

... they must have done that on purpose. MUST HAVE. Same initials, seriously?

The opening sequence was the first time I had to look away on the show- the skin tearing was just too much for me. Well done, show.

I'm not sure if Hannibal is buying Will's act or not, but even if he wants to believe it, he's got to be cautious and remember it could possibly be a trap, or I might lose respect for his intelligence.

On the one hand I'm all "you go Bedelia, breaking up with Hannibal, telling Will you believe him and skipping town like a boss", on the other hand, I agree that she was brave (and maybe kinda dumb?) to break up with Hannibal in his office, especially if she thinks he's dangerous. That's what phones and emails are for.

My guess about the "Hannibal bumbling in the lab" is 4, all of the above.

This episode I could appreciate Jack's guilt and self realization, but he still repeats his patterns (the Beverly-Miriam comparison, Jack sacrificing more of his underlings in the future in 'Red Dragon' and 'Silence') so while I appreciate his struggle, I still hate him for recognizing his patterns and then knowingly repeating them. I do agree with Hannibal (and you) that Will is a fighter. (but I loved him in 2X03, which I think is a first for me)

I think the whole "pissing contest" scene with Hannibal and Will supports your theory that Will didn't see it as a friendship, because there's a power imbalance between therapist and patient. Also I'm LOL'ing forever at Hannibal's tone when he quoted Will back to him about "the light from friendship", it was so sulking and bitchy, I loved it.

I was convinced Hannibal would share his osso buco with someone (probably Jack) and was kinda confused he ate alone- I think other than the pilot, we haven't actually seen him eating alone that often. Still didn't feel sorry for him though.

I loved Will this episode- from his A+ crying acting, to his 'Silence of the Lambs' creepy quotes, to not quite lying while talking to Hannibal and bargaining with Beverly (and his sassiness is always awesome).

As for what Hannibal was doing with the mural killer... Your guess is as good as mine. I just go "he's doing it because he's Hannibal" and move on. I think I'll go for "all of the above" again.

"Oh, Hannibal's just being weird and artistic again. He does that."

This shoooow. This show this show this shoooow aaaah. It makes me flail and then want to produce thousands of rambly words of meta. It doesn't help that I basically finished off Season One right as Season Two was premiering, so everything runs together in a particularly vivid way. Thank you so much for these recaps, Cleo, and thank you to all the lovely commenters for engaging in such an awesome and intellectual way; it really has shaped how I enjoy the show <3

Just off the top of my head...

Cornfields are always bad. I grew up near them, they were always creepy, and outside of Forrest Gump, no one ever *escapes* horror in a cornfield. On another note, where the hell are these murders taking place, given that the seasons have flowed right into each other and yet there's been snow and now full corn? Or did I just miss a place stamp...

Will's transformation into the best mongoose ever is such a delight to watch. His brain is back at full capacity, and he is gonna use it, but it's also interesting to see the toll it takes on him. He's now playing a role for Hannibal, sometimes for Beverly - someone mentioned in a previous recap's comments that book!Will was known for unintentionally mimicking the speech patterns of a person he talks to, and I think his swings between ~*creepy*~ voice and normal voice around her could be him partially reflecting her perception of him back at her, which doesn't help with her hesitancy around handing him things through the bars - and more likely with Alana a bit, too. The way he interacts with Kade could be seen as him trying to figure out his role with her, too.

(I actually sort of feel for Kade? She makes it perfectly clear to Alana in the last episode what her role is - slash and burn essentially - but every time she offers people these logical, reasonable, non-life/job threatening options, they reject them. For Will Graham, a fucking murderer! Mind you, she's totally a political animal and that gives her a certain skeezy air, but I also bet the character will be going through a metric ton of Advil in dealing with these people.)

What's going on with Jack this season fascinates me as well; one of the things that really stood out last season is how much time Jack and Hannibal spent together, and how much Hannibal became a confidant to Jack (and boy do I have thoughts on this! Let me just say that Jack getting to fight Hannibal makes soooo much sense in light of it). Hannibal and Jack were Will's big manipulators last season, and it's really interesting to see their personal reaction to the fall-out: Hannibal continues to try to push his own agenda while Jack essentially falls to personal pieces. Jack keeps INSISTING it is all his fault; Hannibal insists he had nothing to do with this! And it's really the opposite and it's so neat to see how the show acknowledges this.

That last scene with Will and Bedelia was a *gasp* MY HEART! sort of scene for me. One of the most amazing things about getting just the right encouragement when you are determined to go it alone is how much that encouragement helps, and I love the fact that they didn't show us Will's face, just let us hear his reaction to it, just hear how shaken and grateful he was. As goldenusagi mentions above, it's also shot very much like a love scene, from Bedelia's confident step across the line to the way she and Will approach each other at the bars, and it brings a level of...honest feeling to the scene? There is no sense of manipulation; it is just the perfect parting gift. And it parallels her gift of perfume to Hannibal, too.

Fffff I need to stop rambling in your comment section but one more thing; as a fellow BPAL girl, I had to go look up options for "gardenia with a cold edge" (which I swear has been a description there before). The closest seems to be The Lady of Shalott, which is...kind of fitting, really.

Edited at 2014-03-16 12:02 am (UTC)

Right? I wrote that out and was like "I am sure Beth has done something like that, I should check on that later."

Alternatively--although it doesn't have the "cold" quality, there's Veil: "A quiet scent, soft, calm and enigmatic. A perfume of mystery, of whispers, and of secrets behind secrets. White sandalwood, lilac, gardenia, violet, orris, lavender and ylang ylang." But I think Shalott fits better, yeah. I'm pretty sure I have samples of them both somewhere; I'll have to try those out.

Because apparently I still can't shut up about this episode and I have nowhere else to say it: Dancy's take on what's going on with Will's manipulation of Hannibal made me so happy, because it chimes with what I've kept thinking about that "The light from friendship won't reach us for millions of years" line. Because it's very hard and emphatic and true -- but it's also very different from "we are millions of light-years apart," isn't it? Will's choice of imagery sets them in a cold and dark and hideously isolated place where humans should never go and can't survive -- that's where they are and they're there together.

(Also I cannot stop being amused by Hannibal's "You were mean! I go to all this effort to violate you mentally and physically and frame you for multiple murder FOR YOUR OWN GOOD and you -- you hurt my feelings!" reaction).

Oh God, nor by the fact also that when Will was empathing Hannibal killing the Muralist, Hannibal literally stitched Will up.

Will's choice of imagery sets them in a cold and dark and hideously isolated place where humans should never go and can't survive -- that's where they are and they're there together.

Oooh, I really like that.

And yeah, I love how ~hurt~ he is about the whole thing. I feel like we saw that last season, too--he would get his own feelings hurt, but not really have any concept of other people being able to feel pain. Like, over hilariously small things--the medical examiner being rude, or Bedelia enforcing boundaries, or--Will slept through his appointment, WOE, but then he's totally unconcerned about gaslighting Will into a seizure. (OMG "CHICKEN SOUP" HDU. I SLAVED OVER A HOT STOVE TO PUT SO MANY THINGS IN THAT TO MAKE YOU SICKER, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW!) Kind of like a young child who hasn't figured out that pulling the kitty's tail hurts it, but it sure as hell hurts when the cat scratches him back?

whine whine whine recap whine next show grabby hands whine. in the next recap please, please, oh god THAT CONVERSATION BETWEEN WILL AND HANNIBAL CONFUSED ME SO MUCH. it was so obviously at least three levels; Will trolling Hannibal, Hannibal virtually begging Will for approval, and both of them keenly aware that every frickin' word is being heard by Chilton too.

and really Hannibal, commenting that the courtroom scene was "elegant"? please, Fancy Cannibal. it was actually pretty damn blunt, lacking in subtlety, and frankly a bit garish. I know you think that nobody else in the world is as smart as you are and arrogant much? but seriously. if you keep lavishing praise on your own work, Crawford's gonna figure you out oh wait

Heh. I think Bryan Fuller actually said that wasn't his work? I'm going to have to double-check on that. I tend to think he was referring more to the "elegant" solution of, "Well, kill the judge, trial goes back to square one." That said, I really really thought Hannibal had done it, even if the previous one really was a third party.

"@cleolinda: So what TV is teaching me [between this and True Detective] is that any vegetation taller than a mowed lawn is a bad scene.

"@litomnivore: Funny, Pokemon taught me that."

Cary Grant and Alfred Hitchcock had an insight or two on the subject as well.

It's so totally D, all of the above.

I've been nasty sick for days, so I feel like I'm late commenting. Yet, I still have to drop by and tell you how much I love the recap - excellent as always and I'm still devouring the wonderful comments OM NOM NOM

Also, I'll add myself to the list of people who cackled out loud at "One of these things is not like the others." This got me on two levels because this is something I'm used to hearing my mother say in exasperation, usually when something has been put away in the wrong place.

Believe me, I didn't post it until a couple of days ago--you're not late at all, I am. :)

Dearest Cleo, you can make these recaps as long as you want. I can't tell you how much they enhance my enjoyment of my favorite show. Enhance it like a fine wine (a fine wine that hopefully isn't people).

And as the show is stunningly good on its own, that's really sayin' something.

Edited at 2014-03-17 11:46 am (UTC)

The mural, the eye of God, and René Magritte's "False Mirror"

I have no idea if Bryan Fuller et al were thinking of this when they visualized James Gray's mural, but here’s what kept popping into my mind:

The False Mirror, by René Magritte.

What’s particularly interesting is that Magritte painted the iris matte black, so it doesn’t reflect light. Definitely no sign of God in this eye.

(Meanwhile, my icon is cropped from Odilon Redon’s Everywhere Eyeballs Are Aflame. The Surrealists really liked their eye imagery.)

Edited at 2014-03-17 10:09 pm (UTC)

Re: The mural, the eye of God, and René Magritte's "False Mirror"

Serial-killer-as-transgressive-outsider-artist has been a Thing for the entire series, but this is the first time the death tableau actually worked for me as art. Formal rigour, thematic complexity, and referential playfulness. Sensuous, too.

...I mean, I would have respectfully suggested that dude make it out of wax dummies or resin casts or something and not actual people. Or faked it with real people and photography like Cindy Sherman. But I was basically screaming at Hannibal Lecter being this giant contemporary art nerd, driving out a gazillion hours to see a site-based installation in a old grain vat.

(I can see how the Ripper stuff works as art, but it's kind of Damien Hirst, shark-in-a-tank, which I guess works with Hannibal's personality. My first question would be what dude titles these assemblages inside his own head. The other guys are too naif for me.)

It's all great, but the line that sticks in my head - besides thank you for bringing in the kintsugi reference, which I should have thought of - is the wondering how one DOES get to a place in one's life where every night it's classical music and human for dinner. Or even worse, as several commented, leftover human. Doesn't he ever look at the neatly labeled tubs in the fridge and think "I'll just go out for Thai"?
what does it mean in his head, all this nomming of folks? power? smug superiority? stamping out rudeness one pot roast at a time? or maybe we just taste really, really good.

(But I'll sit through any amount of meat art as long as we eventually get to see him sit down to a nice platter of Chilton Wellington).

Late comment, but oooh after this episode I am so very, very concerned for Alana. It seems like Will is, of necessity, going to have to manipulate her to manipulate Hannibal, and I hate that she may become a weapon these two men use against each other. Not that I blame Will precisely, since in his situation his options are precisely zero, but...Alana is (imo) the best Person in the whole show - to the point that her enforcement of boundaries and correct behaviour became a story-breaking power in Season 1 - she had to have all the romantical shenanigans forcing her away from Will, because if she hadn't, and they'd been able to speak honestly, things would never have escalated as badly as they did. I hate that all of her excellent qualities are going to rebound on her so badly.

I did find it slightly weird that Will was at times so...overtly creepy around Beverly. Some of it he can't help of course but...there's no way he wouldn't pick up on her reaction - she seemed actually afraid of him, which I'd have thought Will would hate (and hence, would tone down that behaviour around her). Unless Will has hit the point where he gives precisely zero fucks about anything except destroying Hannibal...but he doesn't seem quite there (yet).

so totally totally late sorrrrry

I love this recap. I read it a week ago but then got super sick and fell off the planet.
Thank you, Cleolinda, for doing this.
For gathering us.
Annnnnyway, you know when Hannibal spouts his poetry about dandelions, Jack pauses and looks at him like WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY? But only for 1 second. But it's there, you know. I kept noticing moments like that the whole episode. Beverly's in total denial but she had a moment like that or two herself.
And Hannibal's dance in the forensics lab, plus his dance in his office with Bedelia.. I mean. JESUS. They were just TOO much. The former was borderline ADORABLE and I just kept thinking WHY am I feeling this way about someone with no regard for human life? WTF.
I'm just so entertained and charmed by this... ahhh-whatever-he-is-doing-to-fuck-with-everyone-CURRENTLY.
And in his office when he comes out from behind his desk and Bedelia steps back for the first time and he stops for a second like, did I do that??
I honestly can't deal with any of them but Mads, HOLY GOD. He's a one of a kind.

Can't wait for le review for Hassun, grrrl.

he was previously able to name Bella Crawford's perfume and diagnose Will's encephalitis, each from a single whiff;

He diagnosed Bella too, AND TOLD HER ABOUT IT, right in front of Jack without Jack being any the wiser.

After identifying her perfume, he told her about diagnosing someone's stomach cancer by smell. He was telling her he knew about her lung cancer, and fishing to find out if she knew about it and if she had told Jack.

"Jack's... excellent administrative instincts are not often tempered by mercy,"

Book line. DRINK.