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Comment cross-posting addendum
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Okay, since I was having a hard time visualizing what the hell you would even want to use this for, the worst issues had to be explained to me. There were a couple of good comments explaining how cross-posting comments from LJ to Facebook or Twitter (even accidentally) could end badly.

So I thought, okay. I have accounts on all of these networks under "Cleolinda Jones," which is not my real name (REALLY?), so I'm a good test case--we can look at what shows up on my Facebook without anyone's alternate username or identity being outed. Except that LJ won't let me connect to Facebook--"Bogus form data." Well, to hell with you too. I disabled AdBlock, NoScript, my firewall--nothing. I hope I can't get in because they're monkeying with the cross-posting code, but I doubt we'd be that lucky. So! I did what I could: I connected to Twitter, set up a dummy entry (filtered to only one other person), and set out to comment on it and see what would show up on Twitter, thereby annoying the piss out of my follower list for a good 30 minutes (start from the bottom):





The posts comments OKAY, YES, THEY ARE TWEETS with links are the ones that are cross-posted comments. Here's what I actually posted on the locked entry:

Subject: Pointless comment spam
Let's see if this shows up.

Subject: So incredibly pointless
Okay, here's a comment that should be longer than the Twitter character limit. I still don't understand why you would want to bore people with this stuff anyway, but there you are. Is it long enough yet? Maybe a little bit longer. There? There.

Subject: [none]
Last one, I won't bother y'all again, I promise. Let's see what it does when the comment doesn't have a subject title...

And, as everyone reported back (often in great confusion), they were not able to access the entry. Which was good.

So, on the limited medium that is Twitter, 1) a shortened link to your comment is posted, 2) a subject heading only is posted, if you have one, and 3) as much of the comment as will fit is posted if you don't. It won't post the title of the other person's entry, however. But the example in the explanation was "Oh, honey, he's an asshole, please leave him." If any of that is in the comment subject heading or the first few words, and it goes out to your Twitter (accidentally or not), and Honey's boyfriend Asshole is reading your Twitter to keep tabs on you (and thereby her)... that's bad. He doesn't have to be able to get to the entry; in this case, the text of the comment/header itself gives away enough. So yeah, I thought it was a bad idea in the first place, but they're going to have to disable this on all filtered posts, or at least allow you to disable other people cross-posting their comments on your filtered posts.

But here's the thing: I can't get Facebook to connect so I can try to cross-post there (and neither can a couple of other people who just tried it). I don't know if a Facebook cross-post would give away more information, like the title of the entry or the username of the person who posted it, since it's not limited to 140 characters. It might be even more revealing over there. Has anyone tried it?


ETA: Here's what a Facebook cross-post looks like, including your icon and the original poster's LJ URL. Hope your icon is safe for work/family/life...

ETA 2: It's POLL TIME. "Awful idea" is currently leading with 96.1%, FYI.

Also, Facebook just let me in. Here's what it posted of a comment I left on this entry, to confirm:





http://pics.livejournal.com/cleolinda/pic/001w9feb


Note how the second comment did cut off, rather than post in its entirety. However: It's not posting "cleolinda.livejournal.com" up there because that's my (the commenter's) URL; it's posting it because it's the original poster's URL.



There you are.

ETA 3: If you do connect to Facebook, it will show your full name as listed there on your info page.




And now you see why I offered to be the guinea pig.




Site Meter

According to this, Facebook posts the commenter's icon (which I'm not sure I like), the comment text in bold blue font (which I definitely don't like), and a link to the post.

There's a screencap of crossposting a comment to Facebook by dysonrules here.

The LJ FAQ for crossposting to Facebook or Twitter says:

The update to your Facebook Wall will say "[Your Name] posted a new entry to 'yourjournal' at LiveJournal." This notification will contain the subject and text of the entry you posted, and will link to the entry. A similar notification will appear if you post to a community. Any entries cross-posted to Twitter will contain either the subject of the post or a snippet of the entry, along with a short URL to the full entry on LiveJournal.

For comments, the Facebook update will say "[Your name] posted a new comment to 'yourjournal' at LiveJournal.", and will contain the subject and text of the comment, as well as a link to the entry. The Twitter update will contain either the subject of the comment or a snippet of the comment itself, as well as a short URL directly to the comment on LiveJournal.

Please note that you can choose to have comments posted to protected entries cross-posted to Facebook and/or Twitter, and the text of those comments will appear to all your followers on those sites, but clicking the link will not show the full entry to anyone who does not have access to view it. The cross-posting options will automatically be unchecked when commenting to a Friends Only or Private post, so that no protected comments are sent to Facebook or Twitter by accident.
So that is probably the range of what can be revealed through crossposting.

Yeah, I read over that, but I wanted to try it for myself. Things have gone to hell with new coding of theirs before.

Incidentally, there's been a response from LJ staff on news, but it's buried somewhere in the 5,368 comments to that thread.

http://news.livejournal.com/129190.html?thread=87522726#t87522726

I don't see what they need to "compile", when almost all of the 5000+ comments are basically DNW!

There's a link in the response to a poll about the crossposting "feature". That may be another place for users to register their reactions.

O SNAP Facebook let me in just now. Well, let's see for ourselves what a comment cross-posted from LJ to Facebook looks like. FOR SCIENCE.

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I want to see how long a comment FB will cross-post

The LJ FAQ for crossposting to Facebook or Twitter says:

The update to your Facebook Wall will say "[Your Name] posted a new entry to 'yourjournal' at LiveJournal." This notification will contain the subject and text of the entry you posted, and will link to the entry. A similar notification will appear if you post to a community. Any entries cross-posted to Twitter will contain either the subject of the post or a snippet of the entry, along with a short URL to the full entry on LiveJournal.

For comments, the Facebook update will say "[Your name] posted a new comment to 'yourjournal' at LiveJournal.", and will contain the subject and text of the comment, as well as a link to the entry. The Twitter update will contain either the subject of the comment or a snippet of the comment itself, as well as a short URL directly to the comment on LiveJournal.

Please note that you can choose to have comments posted to protected entries cross-posted to Facebook and/or Twitter, and the text of those comments will appear to all your followers on those sites, but clicking the link will not show the full entry to anyone who does not have access to view it. The cross-posting options will automatically be unchecked when commenting to a Friends Only or Private post, so that no protected comments are sent to Facebook or Twitter by accident.


Aren't you SO GLAD we have this now?

Re: I want to see how long a comment FB will cross-post

Kill it with fire!

*hands you a fire extinguisher*

There's a style...thingie... you can do with your LJ customizable style... thing... that will take away the boxen on your journal if people are viewing your journal in your style. Idiot proof (no, really, *I* could figure it out) instructions are here:

http://unmutual.livejournal.com/567986.html

Something else not good.

From calcitrix on the news thread, here:

Am I right that if you turn on your Facebook connect, that on your LJ user profile, under External Services, it will show a little FB logo and your entire full (RL) name as a link to your FB profile? (Saw this on someone else's user profile).
I've just looked at your profile, and yes, it does appear to give your Facebook name, "Cleolinda Jones", under External Services.

So. Not. Good. 0_o

Re: Something else not good.

WHO THINKS THIS IS OKAY? GODDAMN. It's like the people who come up with this stuff are robots and don't have anything they don't want other people to know.

thank you for SCIENTIFICALLY TESTING this shit. Icons, I didn't even think of icons.

Hope they're not NSFW or revealing of your personal interests that you didn't want your family to know about! GOD.

MEANWHILE BACK ON TWITTER OH SHIT

Twitter just sent out an email about a couple of things. One is the new Oauth login business, and the other...well, I'll let you read it yourself:
In the coming weeks, we will be expanding the roll-out of our link wrapping service t.co, which wraps links in Tweets with a new, simplified link. Wrapped links are displayed in a way that is easier to read, with the actual domain and part of the URL showing, so that you know what you are clicking on. When you click on a wrapped link, your request will pass through the Twitter service to check if the destination site is known to contain malware, and we then will forward you on to the destination URL. All of that should happen in an instant.

You will start seeing these links on certain accounts that have opted-in to the service; we expect to roll this out to all users by the end of the year. When this happens, all links shared on Twitter.com or third-party apps will be wrapped with a t.co URL.

What does this mean for me?

• A really long link such as http://www.amazon.com/Delivering-Happiness-Profits-Passion-Purpose/dp/0446563048 might be wrapped as http://t.co/DRo0trj for display on SMS, but it could be displayed to web or application users as amazon.com/Delivering- or as the whole URL or page title.
• You will start seeing links in a way that removes the obscurity of shortened links and lets you know where each link will take you.
When you click on these links from Twitter.com or a Twitter application, Twitter will log that click. We hope to use this data to provide better and more relevant content to you over time.

Bold text is my emphasis. ARGHHHHH!

Re: MEANWHILE BACK ON TWITTER OH SHIT

"We hope to use this data to provide better and more relevant content to you over time."

That line looks like one of the things they say on those parody accounts, like BP_Global_PR. I felt the omission of the xoxoxo.

Thanks for doing the work LiveJournal failed to do

Your post is an example of how LiveJournal should introduce major new features. Devote an entire post to a detailed introduction of the change with illustrated examples of all the salient points. This is what professional companies with expertise in customer retention do.

Instead LJ offers an awkwardly worded, fake-chatty announcement as part of other news and below cutesy stuff about kittens - and posts the rest of the FAQ somewhere else (which is also underwritten).

First, jamming so much in one post sort comes off as sneaking changes past users with fine print. Second, it seems like kittens, photo contests, jokes and mascot fan fiction matter more than complete, coherent presentations of vital information. Third, the longer and more confusing the post, the more likely people are to skim and not understand it, increasing the level of freaking out.

Honestly, act like a corporation - the Frank stuff is no longer endearing, just fake friendly, unprofessional and out of touch - as well as TL:DR.

LJ would have fewer problems if it were better at using it's own communication tool. Most people would still reject comment sharing on locked posts, but the overall discussion would be more accurate and less prone to lose customers.

Also thank you for ETA #3

Because LJ's own info does not clearly explain turning on their tools will provide your real/Facebook name on your journal.

Which is kind of an important detail about it.

Re: Also thank you for ETA #3

That is honestly the worst thing in the whole entry, and maetang only just happened to notice it.

What a clusterfuck. I don't know why LJ never sees shit like this coming. They just roll out features that they really OUGHT TO KNOW will piss their userbase off, and then are left frantically backpedalling and doing damage control.

Hell, I'd be more impressed if they WERE backpedalling. The smart move would be to turn it OFF while you "compile reactions." WTF? They act like they're still not sure people are unhappy.

Okay that last one is really bugging me. FULL NAME? FOR SERIOUS?

It puts your real name on your freaking profile? wtf, LJ?

I thought this was a bad idea, but was never planning on using it - was more pissed off about them missing up my "typey type - tab - enter" mentality, but now?

FULL NAMES? WHAT THE FLYING FUCK? There is so much DO NOT WANT here that I cannot formulate a coherent explanation.

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