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...and it was pretty much what I expected, everything a Breaking Dawn movie had to be and could not help but be, etc. Given that 1) the book is what it is and 2) the filmmakers have always been under order to be scrupulously faithful to it, it's... it just is, okay? It is a filmed experience of the book, which says pretty much everything you need to know about it. Also, maybe I just feel such monumental pity for the kid that I didn't even think Taylor Lautner was bad. The imprinting itself was somehow as tasteful as Melissa Rosenberg could think to write it, and my audience was, as Twilight audiences in Birmingham have always somehow been, worshipfully quiet, so I didn't get the enjoyment of listening to the entire theater freak out. The closest they got was some knowing "Ohhhhh, here we go"-type laughter right as Jacob approached the baby. They didn't even have an audible reaction to the vampire caesarean.

Also, stay for an extra scene in the middle of the credits, because Aro is my spirit guide.

@cleolinda: All right. Time to chagrin my dazzle. Pray for me. #leavingthehouseomg #breakingdawn #sparklemas

@ladonnapietra: @cleolinda And yea, though you walk through the valley of the reflection of sparkles...

@particle_person: @cleolinda Best wishes! May you not see anything unseeable or hear the unhearable!

@cleolinda: Oh, I've seen leaked stuff. It's too late for that.

@particle_person: I meant the audience, actually. ;-)

@cleolinda: HAAAAAAAA

@cleolinda: Well, my purse and I got the front row, at least.

Well, my purse and I got the front row, at least. on Twitpic

@cleolinda: (I will not be live tweeting. The lights haven't even gone down yet, we've got a few minutes to kill.)

@cleolinda: Wtf? RT @alierakieron: My SiL had someone faint on top of her at last night's show. Usher said it was the second one of the night.


@cleolinda: Well, that happened. You guys, I think I can do this. #thatofwhichwedonotspeak #breakingdawn #sparklemas

So I'm going to be writing as fast as I can for the next couple of days, because I think I can do this, possibly, in a semi-timely fashion--I basically sat there thinking a Fifteen Minutes the whole time, although, fuck my life, I forgot to bring any paper for notes. Well, I may be seeing it again tomorrow, so. I have thought of--I won't say a "gimmick," exactly, but a unifying, running joke, like the Viking saga in Eclipse, that will probably help me through a lot of it. You don't have to have one, but it helps you approach a scene you get stuck on from a different perspective. AND GOD KNOWS I WILL NEED IT.

Jesus, my head hurts.


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Exactly! She could have been standing near Bella's parents so that when we got a shot of them, she'd be someone to the side. Someone you have to LOOK for instead of seeing her face loom the hell up right at us.

Lastly: fuck all those anti-choice overtones. Just. Fuck them.

The anti-choice business got really, really weird. Like, it's a valid point that it's a woman's choice to keep the baby as well, although I don't know that this is quite the most endangered right IRL. But sure. It was when Edward was like, "What about MY choice to make you KILL THE BABY?!" that was like, bzuh? There are some really brain-breaking ways to describe that whole conversation--Bella's pro-life AND pro-choice! Edward's anti-choice AND pro-abortion!

Edited at 2011-11-19 11:00 pm (UTC)

That's a really good point about Edward's outburst. I gave him too much credit and assumed that he was pretty cheesed off that Bella had gone behind his back to make this decision without even seeking a balance with him -- granted, Edward was all gung ho about getting rid of it out of concern for Bella in the first place but was definitely ignoring what SHE wanted. I guess I was also hoping that they were finally pointing out how Bella being determined and keeping her mind set once a choice is made can make her selfishness blatantly obvious.

I WILL say that I am very, very happy they took out the part where Edward asked Jacob to tell Bella that THEY could have kids if that's what she really wanted. Whoever wrote the script did a nice job of taking that the hell out, and I have to say that the imprinting scene was written in such a way that I was more comfortable with it than anything else in the film.

Also LOL GROWL!SPEAK. I can't believe they held that wolf tension for all of a minute and a half before Jacob was like WHELP, NEVER MIND, GOIN' BACK TO THE CULLENS.

Lastly, I cried so hard at her farewell to her father. :( I couldn't help but think how incredibly cruel it was that she would watch him grow old and die while she remained young forever. That's sick. Her father needs her and the obvious effort to shove Sue in as a distraction was a nice attempt but also kind of insulting to the father/daughter relationship. For fuck's sake, at this point I'm willing to say that a Bella/Charlie relationship is more healthy than any other goddamn relationship in the whole series.

I totally teared up when Bella said goodbye to Charlie. UGH.

That she couldn't even give an honest answer to his plea(!) that she come home to see him when she could was the nail in the coffin for me. That she had a hard time letting go of him just drove the pain home. Yes, I know parents have to let their children go on their own but think of his situation: he only got Bella for certain days/weeks out of the year, and he even took her to California when she got sick of Forks. When she agreed to live with him, she not only stayed just a little over a year but they experienced (1) her abrupt, cruel departure from him in the first book; (2) her catatonic and manic stages in the second, plus her running off AGAIN; (3) I can't remember what was the situation in Eclipse, it was probably a little better/healthier but just the whole plan she had to leave mortality and her family all behind made Charlie's attempts to keep her close/make sure her relationship with Edward was carefully monitored shows he was paying damn close attention to her dedication to her boyfriend, not to MENTION it made his concern all for naught since she was pretty much planning to throw it all away; (4) just... don't get me started on the last book. ._.

A part of me hopes Bella ends up changing him tbh.

Edited at 2011-11-19 11:50 pm (UTC)

In Eclipse, she threatens to move out of his house a couple of times if he doesn't back off re: Edward. Not quite as cruel, but still really manipulative and sketchy behavior.

A part of me hopes Bella ends up changing him tbh.

Oh my God, what a great idea!!!

I read a great short fic (a drabble, maybe?) titled something like "A Quiet Man", which tells it all from Charlie's point of view... how he waits, and hopes, and gives everything he can to his daughter, never asking for anything. And at the end, she just walks right back out of his life forever.

Stories that are All About X (and their Perfect Romance with Y) tend to get reaaaaally icky and/or scary if examined from any other perspective. Like, if anyone else in them is an actual person with feelings and stuff.

As a friend of mine (we're both pro-life, btw) remarked, it basically had something to offend EVERYBODY. :-)

it basically had something to offend EVERYBODY.

That's what makes these stories so very, very special. ;-D


*i really, really hope i dont get head bitten off for this but- I have to ask..."

*please, please dont kill me"

is the problem that it's a pro-life message or that it's a pro-life message used in the worst possible looking case scenario and also knocked over and over again on your head with a subtextual giant sledge hammer?

(for the record i'm both pro-life and pro-choice *yes it's possible*

but if the case scenario of bella was real life- i would say the mother should come first since she is code RED health risk

*please dont kill me*

Re: *i really, really hope i dont get head bitten off for this but- I have to ask..."

Please don't be afraid! I don't bite ;; ♥

Anti-choice messages are fine, but it's the fact that this was so over the head heavy hammer that made me quite frustrated. I was frustrated with that in the book, too. It's as if the valid points people had for saving Bella at the expense of the obviously destructive foetus were completely glossed over with the OMG BABYYYY worship. I really wish that there had been an attempt to balance both sides of the argument in the book, though I admit that it would be hard to pull off in the film (since there were long scenes of dragged out nothing so there probably wasn't any time left).

While I myself don't really care for motherhood, childbirth, babies, &co. I'm really interested in seeing how it's handled in fiction in ways that are different than just, "Oh they're women so that's just something they all end up wanting in the end." If it was part of Bella's character to want a child and be eager for motherhood, I'd accept this with open arms because good on her, she's willing to put herself on the line for something she's always wanted -- but it never was. She admitted to not having a desire for children and having no thoughts at all of being a mother, so this feels forced on her. The only thing that was pointed out was her near to frightening worship of all things Edward and the fact that she would put her body at risk just to bring his his sparklespunk creation into existence is terrifying. I commend Bella's dedication to impending motherhood but I'm horrified at how the book and the film made no attempt to make the others and their arguments in any way credible.

Re: *i really, really hope i dont get head bitten off for this but- I have to ask..."

oh that makes sense.

for the record- i said what I said because I have met with people from Both sides that are absolutely terrifying in their pov, and it's such a burning hot button issues that when someone brings it up- it's kind of waking on eggshells.

and as someone who considers herself a person who stands on both sides (the scale tips over to one side of the other depending on the situation) i sometimes wonder what the people who stand solidly on one or the other think, without offending them, which again hot topic issues- risk of offending possibly high.

but yeah, if you put it like that, at least with bella it's forced as all get out.

although the movie made it a wee bit more tolerable (except for the birth scene that totally squicked me regardless of it being implied rather than shown)

thank you for sharing your thoughts and i hope i havent offend you

Re: *i really, really hope i dont get head bitten off for this but- I have to ask..."

I understand, dear. It's a very polarising topic and both sides very rarely play nice. The whole point of choice gets lost completely in that kind of vitriol because it really is all about that: having the child is just as much of a choice as deciding not to. I don't know why people forget that :(

You haven't offended me at all! I'm actually really grateful you stepped in to say something because for all my comments about how both sides need to balance out, I often forget to consider the other side's perspective. So if anything, you were quite helpful!

Re: *i really, really hope i dont get head bitten off for this but- I have to ask..."

"Well of course you should have a choice, it's just that the only reasonable choice is OMG BABY BABY BAAAAABY."

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